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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:22 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:Privatize it. Let companies compete for business.


What about rural customers?


That was their choice to live in the boonies. They can probably travel to a nearby town and get the mail weekly at the company's office which will hold the mail.

Shouldn't move to Detroit if you are scared of gangs & gunfire and you shouldn't move to outer Podunkville if you want convenience.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:39 pm

Oneracon wrote:
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Pretty much. Rural mail is incredibly inefficient from a monetary perspective. If Canada Post were privatized, it would be to the great detriment of those who live in rural or remote areas.

Given that most voters in the Conservative heartland live in rural areas... I don't think that will be an issue.


Private companies are not going to be affiliated with the Conservative Party.

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:57 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
What about rural customers?


That was their choice to live in the boonies. They can probably travel to a nearby town and get the mail weekly at the company's office which will hold the mail.

Shouldn't move to Detroit if you are scared of gangs & gunfire and you shouldn't move to outer Podunkville if you want convenience.

So just like Canada post is doing right now to rural customers.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:09 pm

greed and death wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
That was their choice to live in the boonies. They can probably travel to a nearby town and get the mail weekly at the company's office which will hold the mail.

Shouldn't move to Detroit if you are scared of gangs & gunfire and you shouldn't move to outer Podunkville if you want convenience.

So just like Canada post is doing right now to rural customers.


All postal services should be privatized worldwide. People can live without mail delivery and private companies will eagerly take over. Competition should keep prices reasonable and in rural areas there are probably people willing to make deliveries door to door for an extra fee (although it might not be daily). Govt. is needed for national defense not for postal service.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:11 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
greed and death wrote:So just like Canada post is doing right now to rural customers.


All postal services should be privatized worldwide. People can live without mail delivery and private companies will eagerly take over. Competition should keep prices reasonable and in rural areas there are probably people willing to make deliveries door to door for an extra fee (although it might not be daily). Govt. is needed for national defense not for postal service.


I generally like postal service privatization but your arguments for it are not helpful at all.

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Postby Neuereland » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:28 pm

I personally think God should smite down the executives at Canada Post and replace them with homeless people who will undoubtedly do a better job and get my package here faster than the previous staff.
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:34 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
greed and death wrote:So just like Canada post is doing right now to rural customers.


All postal services should be privatized worldwide. People can live without mail delivery and private companies will eagerly take over. Competition should keep prices reasonable and in rural areas there are probably people willing to make deliveries door to door for an extra fee (although it might not be daily). Govt. is needed for national defense not for postal service.

Literally everything you just said here has been objectively disproven in real life a hundred times over...
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:37 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
All postal services should be privatized worldwide. People can live without mail delivery and private companies will eagerly take over. Competition should keep prices reasonable and in rural areas there are probably people willing to make deliveries door to door for an extra fee (although it might not be daily). Govt. is needed for national defense not for postal service.

Literally everything you just said here has been objectively disproven in real life a hundred times over...


He really shouldn't be saying anything at all about how he loves postal service privatization, because he's going to drive everyone away from it.

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Postby Oneracon » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:50 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Given that most voters in the Conservative heartland live in rural areas... I don't think that will be an issue.


Private companies are not going to be affiliated with the Conservative Party.

The phasing out of home delivery only applies to urban areas, the current rural home delivery system will be remaining the same.
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Postby Skeckoa » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:54 pm

Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Literally everything you just said here has been objectively disproven in real life a hundred times over...
I'd love to hear this.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:56 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Private companies are not going to be affiliated with the Conservative Party.

The phasing out of home delivery only applies to urban areas, the current rural home delivery system will be remaining the same.


Yeah, this would just be in the event of the privatization of Canada Post.

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Postby Ainin » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:01 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:
Private companies are not going to be affiliated with the Conservative Party.

The phasing out of home delivery only applies to urban areas, the current rural home delivery system will be remaining the same.

I wonder whether where I live classifies as urban or rural. Probably the former, so RIP my little plastic mailbox.
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Postby Dazchan » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:05 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:People can live without mail delivery


While all bills and government communication is sent by mail, this is patently false.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:07 am

Freiheit Reich wrote: People can live without mail delivery


Lol no.

How are my sex toys going to be delivered to me if there is no mail delivery?

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Postby Rukki » Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:31 am

What about elderly people who have problems with moving around?
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:22 am

Luveria wrote:
Hardened Pyrokinetics wrote:Literally everything you just said here has been objectively disproven in real life a hundred times over...


He really shouldn't be saying anything at all about how he loves postal service privatization, because he's going to drive everyone away from it.


I take it that was an insult. Sticks and stones......
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:23 am

Luveria wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote: People can live without mail delivery


Lol no.

How are my sex toys going to be delivered to me if there is no mail delivery?


Go to the town and pick up your toys or move to the town itself. Country folks should not be subsidized. They made the choice to live there.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:25 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
He really shouldn't be saying anything at all about how he loves postal service privatization, because he's going to drive everyone away from it.


I take it that was an insult. Sticks and stones......


No, I would like postal privatization and your arguments are the best argument against it.

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Lol no.

How are my sex toys going to be delivered to me if there is no mail delivery?


Go to the town and pick up your toys or move to the town itself. Country folks should not be subsidized. They made the choice to live there.


Except... I do live in town.

You said "People can live without mail delivery"

Protip:

Even privatized mail services will always provide rural services since there is money in it if they raise the price. Now do you see why you are the worst argument against postal service privatization?

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:25 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
He really shouldn't be saying anything at all about how he loves postal service privatization, because he's going to drive everyone away from it.


I take it that was an insult. Sticks and stones......


i believe it was a commentary on how your system would drive away customers actually

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Lol no.

How are my sex toys going to be delivered to me if there is no mail delivery?


Go to the town and pick up your toys or move to the town itself. Country folks should not be subsidized. They made the choice to live there.


this is stupid for so many reasons i'm not even going to bother listing them. actually i'm on NSG so i guess i have to.

we need people to live in various areas outside town for various reasons, many of which are really important.
they need mail.
not everyone can live in towns.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:27 am

Luveria wrote:Protip:

Even privatized mail services will always provide rural services since there is money in it if they raise the price. Now do you see why you are the worst argument against postal service privatization?


of course, there often isn't. so they need to be subsidized with profits from the cities or be utterly shafted by prices or even left with service period, which is why nationalized master race.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:31 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Luveria wrote:Protip:

Even privatized mail services will always provide rural services since there is money in it if they raise the price. Now do you see why you are the worst argument against postal service privatization?


of course, there often isn't. so they need to be subsidized with profits from the cities or be utterly shafted by prices or even left with service period, which is why nationalized master race.


He implied;

1) FUCK YOU FOR BEING BORN IN THE BOONIES. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO BE BORN THERE.

2) You know what, rural peasants don't need mail services. Drive to a city if you need it.

That's so very wrong...

Private postal services will provide rural deliveries. They may just charge more. That is all. They still want your money.

So, yes, Freihiet is the absolute worst possible spokesperson for mail privatization, which is why I wish he would either not participate at all, or be on the opposite team.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:39 am

Luveria wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I take it that was an insult. Sticks and stones......


No, I would like postal privatization and your arguments are the best argument against it.

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Go to the town and pick up your toys or move to the town itself. Country folks should not be subsidized. They made the choice to live there.


Except... I do live in town.

You said "People can live without mail delivery"

Protip:

Even privatized mail services will always provide rural services since there is money in it if they raise the price. Now do you see why you are the worst argument against postal service privatization?


I meant in the worst case scenario that no company will be willing to provide services to rural folks no matter the profit incentive. This is unlikely but we must always consider the worst case scenario.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:41 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
No, I would like postal privatization and your arguments are the best argument against it.



Except... I do live in town.

You said "People can live without mail delivery"

Protip:

Even privatized mail services will always provide rural services since there is money in it if they raise the price. Now do you see why you are the worst argument against postal service privatization?


I meant in the worst case scenario that no company will be willing to provide services to rural folks no matter the profit incentive. This is unlikely but we must always consider the worst case scenario.


As I have said, your arguments are detrimental to the cause of postal service privatization.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:43 am

Luveria wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
of course, there often isn't. so they need to be subsidized with profits from the cities or be utterly shafted by prices or even left with service period, which is why nationalized master race.


He implied;

1) FUCK YOU FOR BEING BORN IN THE BOONIES. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO BE BORN THERE.

2) You know what, rural peasants don't need mail services. Drive to a city if you need it.

That's so very wrong...

Private postal services will provide rural deliveries. They may just charge more. That is all. They still want your money.

So, yes, Freihiet is the absolute worst possible spokesperson for mail privatization, which is why I wish he would either not participate at all, or be on the opposite team.


There are good and bad things about where we live. The boonies might have cleaner air, lower housing costs, and less gang violence BUT they also have higher costs for most goods (less competition) and possibly no (or expensive) mail service.

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 17, 2013 6:44 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Luveria wrote:
He implied;

1) FUCK YOU FOR BEING BORN IN THE BOONIES. IT WAS YOUR CHOICE TO BE BORN THERE.

2) You know what, rural peasants don't need mail services. Drive to a city if you need it.

That's so very wrong...

Private postal services will provide rural deliveries. They may just charge more. That is all. They still want your money.

So, yes, Freihiet is the absolute worst possible spokesperson for mail privatization, which is why I wish he would either not participate at all, or be on the opposite team.


There are good and bad things about where we live. The boonies might have cleaner air, lower housing costs, and less gang violence BUT they also have higher costs for most goods (less competition) and possibly no (or expensive) mail service.

You take the good, you take the bad,
you take them both and there you have
The Facts of Life, the Facts of Life.


Or if it remains nationalized, their mail service isn't any more expensive.

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