Canada Post to phase out home delivery services

[The Liberated Territories]

Where has anybody but a few close people helped me? How can I empathize with a stranger whose intentions can be anything? There is no logic in altruism.

Hypocrite!

my rational self-interest!

there is actually plenty of logic in helping others with the assumption they will help you in return if need be, as it results in a mutually beneficial arrangement for all involved. the only problem with this is that there is a chance there is someone that will not help (i.e.) in which case people stop helping them, which is very much a bad thing, especially in older times. there is a reason humans evolved to be group animals, you know. also, for the record, tit-for-tat kicks game theories ass and is empirically proven to be the best strategy, so there's also that. unless of course one person backs out, in which case it results in an overall shitter result for both parties. logic is the only thing people that get turned on by rand (pretend) to have, and they can't even do that right. it's really depressing.

You are right, I can't do anything right...unfortunately throughout eternity there will always be "for the greater good" type schtick where people will suffer because of it. Certainly all the wars, revolutions, ect ect could of been prevented because someone didn't act irrationally because of the greater good...living in a collective risks the individual too.

[Souseiseki]

my rational self-interest!

there is actually plenty of logic in helping others with the assumption they will help you in return if need be, as it results in a mutually beneficial arrangement for all involved. the only problem with this is that there is a chance there is someone that will not help (i.e.) in which case people stop helping them, which is very much a bad thing, especially in older times. there is a reason humans evolved to be group animals, you know. also, for the record, tit-for-tat kicks game theories ass and is empirically proven to be the best strategy, so there's also that. unless of course one person backs out, in which case it results in an overall shitter result for both parties. logic is the only thing people that get turned on by rand (pretend) to have, and they can't even do that right. it's really depressing.

You are right, I can't do anything right...unfortunately throughout eternity there will always be "for the greater good" type schtick where people will suffer because of it. Certainly all the wars, revolutions, ect ect could of been prevented because someone didn't act irrationally because of the greater good...living in a collective risks the individual too.

really? what about the wars that were started because one man wanted to rule more land for his own benefit? (i mean, there's no way getting rid of the greater good is going to prevent the case of lord fuckface hires some knights to wreck someones shit. he wants shit wrecked, they want money, no greater good involved.) the wars started to benefit businesses and individuals? the wars started for selfish reasons yet occasionally justified through religion or rambling about freedom? not even going into all the horrible shit individuals do to other people because they get something out of it.

there is always risk to the individual. but it so happens than co-operation works better than everyone being out for themselves trying to fuck each other over, for what should be fairly obvious reasons.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I'd love if libertarians will stop paying taxes, and government will stop providing them services. Let's see how they'll react if there's no police to respond when they're in trouble, no ambulance to tend if they have emergency, no firemen if they're house is burning, no military to protect them from war.

Humans cannot stand on their own alone. At one point in our life, we'll need to cooperate for the betterment of ourselves and the community.

I don't care. I don't need help dying in this world. As it is I am surprised I am still alive. If cooperation never always screwed me over perhaps id be better receptive of said idea.

Just because cooperation doesn't work the way you intended to, or the way you want it to, doesn't mean it doesn't work in real life.

[Geilinor]

Congrats, you just proved that your view on this issue is entirely selfish and not in the interest of anybody but yourself.

Or, in other words, you've just removed yourself entirely from this debate.

Where has anybody but a few close people helped me? How can I empathize with a stranger whose intentions can be anything? There is no logic in altruism.

Hypocrite!

So to hell with society, right? Who needs it? Screw public education. Also, why would people help you if you see something fundamentally wrong with helping others?

[The Liberated Territories]

Where has anybody but a few close people helped me? How can I empathize with a stranger whose intentions can be anything? There is no logic in altruism.

Hypocrite!

So to hell with society, right? Who needs it? Screw public education. Also, why would people help you if you see something fundamentally wrong with helping others?

I don't expect others to help me. And that is the last I am going to say on this matter.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

So to hell with society, right? Who needs it? Screw public education. Also, why would people help you if you see something fundamentally wrong with helping others?

I don't expect others to help me. And that is the last I am going to say on this matter.

Yes, that would be advisable, the hole you've dug is pretty deep already.

[Dazchan]

They look pretty secure to me. Then again, I actually read the sources.

CBC investigation found over 4800 incidents of community mailboxes being broken into or damaged in some way (including arson).

Based on the population of Canada and the assumption that nuclear families are the average, multiplying by .67 (as they are presently used by two thirds of Canadian households), we end up with just over 5 million households presently using CMBs. The pictures in your source shows that CMBs have 30 regular boxes, plus shared boxes for large packages. This means that there are around 166,667 CMBs presently in Canada.

4800 incidents, you say? That's less than 3% over five years. I repeat: they seem pretty secure to me.

[Oneracon]

CBC investigation found over 4800 incidents of community mailboxes being broken into or damaged in some way (including arson).

Based on the population of Canada and the assumption that nuclear families are the average, multiplying by .67 (as they are presently used by two thirds of Canadian households), we end up with just over 5 million households presently using CMBs. The pictures in your source shows that CMBs have 30 regular boxes, plus shared boxes for large packages. This means that there are around 166,667 CMBs presently in Canada.

4800 incidents, you say? That's less than 3% over five years. I repeat: they seem pretty secure to me.

Those incidents aren't limited to each families cubbyhole, the majority of them involve vandals prying the box open (i.e. on the same hinge that the postal workers use to put everyone's mail in). So there are some incidents that will affect upwards of 30 households at one time.

[Dazchan]

Based on the population of Canada and the assumption that nuclear families are the average, multiplying by .67 (as they are presently used by two thirds of Canadian households), we end up with just over 5 million households presently using CMBs. The pictures in your source shows that CMBs have 30 regular boxes, plus shared boxes for large packages. This means that there are around 166,667 CMBs presently in Canada.

4800 incidents, you say? That's less than 3% over five years. I repeat: they seem pretty secure to me.

Those incidents aren't limited to each families cubbyhole, the majority of them involve vandals prying the box open (i.e. on the same hinge that the postal workers use to put everyone's mail in). So there are some incidents that will affect upwards of 30 households at one time.

Which is why I factored that into my calculations. It's right there in black and white.

[Sibirsky]

Yeah, no it isn't. Why should we help other people if it involves sacrificing a bit...

Basic human decency? Better functioning society?

Decent people do not force others to pay for anything. If decent people want to help, they volunteer their own resources.

[Oneracon]

Basic human decency? Better functioning society?

Decent people do not force others to pay for anything. If decent people want to help, they volunteer their own resources.

The deceased equine of that threadjack has been sufficiently beaten, thank you.

[Luveria]

Source

After losses by the crown orporation, Canada Post is going to stop door-to-door deliver and use community mailboxes instead. This and other measures will hopefully save money to make Canada Post financially independent of taxpayer's money:

Forecasted financial benefits (per year upon full implementation)

Community mailboxes – $400 million to $500 million

New approach to pricing Lettermail – $160 million to $200 million

Franchise post offices – $40 million to $50 million

Streamlining operations -$100 million to $150 million

Now that's nice, except that they did not consider the elderly and people with limited mobility. In an article by the CBC, there are 4,800 incidents involving community mailbox.

What do you think, NSG?

For more info, watch this video.

What a horrible idea.

Why?

[Sibirsky]

Decent people do not force others to pay for anything. If decent people want to help, they volunteer their own resources.

The deceased equine of that threadjack has been sufficiently beaten, thank you.

The facts don't change, no matter how much you talk about them.

[The Archregimancy]

Should privatize it like Germany.

Germany is considerably smaller than Canada is, and it's therefore considerably cheaper to deliver mail across the whole area. I can't imagine any private business being willing to deliver mail all over Canada.

My thoughts precisely.

As I'm not a Canadian, I have no particular thoughts on whether privatisation is inherently a good thing or a bad thing for Canada.

I do think, though, that comparing the experience of delivering post in any European country west of Ukraine may not really match the experience of delivering the post in the second largest country in the world.

Could one of our Canadian thread readers perhaps quickly outline how Canada Post delivers to smaller, more isolated, rural communities? Is the post currently delivered more or less the same way to an address in a Toronto suburb as it is in to someone living on farm an hour's drive from Carrot River, Saskatchewan?

[Oneracon]

Germany is considerably smaller than Canada is, and it's therefore considerably cheaper to deliver mail across the whole area. I can't imagine any private business being willing to deliver mail all over Canada.

My thoughts precisely.

As I'm not a Canadian, I have no particular thoughts on whether privatisation is inherently a good thing or a bad thing for Canada.

I do think, though, that comparing the experience of delivering post in any European country west of Ukraine may not really match the experience of delivering the post in the second largest country in the world.

Could one of our Canadian thread readers perhaps quickly outline how Canada Post delivers to smaller, more isolated, rural communities? Is the post currently delivered more or less the same way to an address in a Toronto suburb as it is in to someone living on farm an hour's drive from Carrot River, Saskatchewan?

They have a pretty concise summary of that in their fluffy and feel-good rural delivery page on their website.

"Mail is delivered by vehicle. The mail carriers pull their vehicles over at each rural mailbox, deposit the mail in the mail box and then merge back into traffic to proceed to the next address. This sequence is repeated over a hundred times a day on each mail delivery route."

In the experience I've had with rural mailboxes in Southern Ontario, while farm-sitting for my uncle, every property has its own mailbox out by the road. The mail-carrier drives up in their car (which has Canada Post signs and flashing lights alerting for frequent stops), puts the letters in, then drives down the road to the next property. It's very similar to where I live in a suburb of Toronto... just with the letter carriers driving between houses instead of walking.

[Aggicificicerous]

In the experience I've had with rural mailboxes in Southern Ontario, while farm-sitting for my uncle, every property has its own mailbox out by the road. The mail-carrier drives up in their car (which has Canada Post signs and flashing lights alerting for frequent stops), puts the letters in, then drives down the road to the next property. It's very similar to where I live in a suburb of Toronto... just with the letter carriers driving between houses instead of walking.

Pretty much. Rural mail is incredibly inefficient from a monetary perspective. If Canada Post were privatized, it would be to the great detriment of those who live in rural or remote areas.

[DogDoo 7]

Germany is considerably smaller than Canada is, and it's therefore considerably cheaper to deliver mail across the whole area. I can't imagine any private business being willing to deliver mail all over Canada.

My thoughts precisely.

As I'm not a Canadian, I have no particular thoughts on whether privatisation is inherently a good thing or a bad thing for Canada.

I do think, though, that comparing the experience of delivering post in any European country west of Ukraine may not really match the experience of delivering the post in the second largest country in the world.

Could one of our Canadian thread readers perhaps quickly outline how Canada Post delivers to smaller, more isolated, rural communities? Is the post currently delivered more or less the same way to an address in a Toronto suburb as it is in to someone living on farm an hour's drive from Carrot River, Saskatchewan?

in the US (broadly comparable), there's a community of Native Americans living in the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Mail is delivered 5 days a week on burro.

[Oneracon]

In the experience I've had with rural mailboxes in Southern Ontario, while farm-sitting for my uncle, every property has its own mailbox out by the road. The mail-carrier drives up in their car (which has Canada Post signs and flashing lights alerting for frequent stops), puts the letters in, then drives down the road to the next property. It's very similar to where I live in a suburb of Toronto... just with the letter carriers driving between houses instead of walking.

Pretty much. Rural mail is incredibly inefficient from a monetary perspective. If Canada Post were privatized, it would be to the great detriment of those who live in rural or remote areas.

Given that most voters in the Conservative heartland live in rural areas... I don't think that will be an issue.

[Alien Space Bats]

How does Canada handle absentee voting?

In America, the need to have an arm of the government handle voting materials distributed and returned by mail is part of why we have a government-run postal service. I'd assume Canada has similar needs...

[New Acardia]

They need to get the money for there Welfare State from some where.

[Avenio]

They need to get the money for there Welfare State from some where.

We're on track for a 3 billion-dollar budget surplus in two years or so - money isn't so much an issue when it comes to this.

[New Acardia]

They need to get the money for there Welfare State from some where.

We're on track for a 3 billion-dollar budget surplus in two years or so - money isn't so much an issue when it comes to this.

I was wrong this time.

[Oneracon]

They need to get the money for there Welfare State from some where.

*their

[Freiheit Reich]

Privatize it. Let companies compete for business.

[Blasveck]

Privatize it. Let companies compete for business.

What about rural customers?