Canada Post to phase out home delivery services

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

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After losses by the crown orporation, Canada Post is going to stop door-to-door deliver and use community mailboxes instead. This and other measures will hopefully save money to make Canada Post financially independent of taxpayer's money:

Forecasted financial benefits (per year upon full implementation)

Community mailboxes – $400 million to $500 million

New approach to pricing Lettermail – $160 million to $200 million

Franchise post offices – $40 million to $50 million

Streamlining operations -$100 million to $150 million

Now that's nice, except that they did not consider the elderly and people with limited mobility. In an article by the CBC, there are 4,800 incidents involving community mailbox.

What do you think, NSG?

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[Greed and Death]

Should privatize it like Germany.

[Pope Joan]

On CBC's "As It Happens" there was an interview with a very polite older woman who used a walker to get around.

She said, not surprisingly, that this change would present a hardship to her.

And, I should imagine, millions of others.

So AIH interviewed a rep from the PO who said this was a wonderful thing, the wave of the future, and they had too many troublesome unionized letter carriers.

[Densaner]

The postal service should be run by the government and not for private profit. Canada seems to be cutting back on the most important part of a postal service - delivery. That article seems quite disturbing. We just privatised the Royal Mail in the UK and the taxpayer got stiffed as the shares were clearly sold at a loss. In the longer term the cost of the post will go way up as that has what happened with other services that have been privatised.

[Geilinor]

The postal service should be run by the government and not for private profit. Canada seems to be cutting back on the most important part of a postal service - delivery. That article seems quite disturbing. We just privatised the Royal Mail in the UK and the taxpayer got stiffed as the shares were clearly sold at a loss. In the longer term the cost of the post will go way up as that has what happened with other services that have been privatised.

This is owned by the government.

[Souseiseki]

Should privatize it like Germany.

why?

if anything the fact they need to do this proves that home to home letter delivery is not profitable and thus a private corporation is unlikely to do. what you just said does absolutely nothing to address the topic. or did you just want another chance to go make it private like germany and then they can buy lots and lots of smaller companies and uhhhhhhh i guess that makes it successful even though we never looked at quality of service?

[Costa Fierro]

What do you think, NSG?

Inevitable. The post company here is cutting back days already and laying off staff. At least the courier business is booming thanks to online shopping.

[Vetalia]

To be honest, the only postal delivery system I've ever had no issues with is the USPS. Couple cases in point that will illustrate my experience with private carriers:

1. UPS. I ordered my $1,500 laptop from HP and had it delivered here. Instead of dropping off the package at the rental office as is standard protocol for any package deliveries to large to fit in a mailbox, they left it outside my door in a box clearly marked HP in a public hallway. Good thing it wasn't stolen in the eleven hours between when it arrived and when I got home.

2. FedEx. I ordered a new phone and plan because my old one broke, I paid extra for overnight shipping and it arrived three days later. When I called them, I got a meaningless automated system with no means to speak to an actual person. I was about ready to break into a Hitler-grade rant after a couple of calls.

3. When I called the USPS due to a local delivery issue, I got an actual person to speak to and they resolved it immediately.

[Geilinor]

Should privatize it like Germany.

why?

Deutsche Post makes a billion euros in profit and Germany doesn't have overly expensive mail.

A comparison of nominal prices for a domestic standard letter places Germany along with Ireland in the mid-range of the countries surveyed.

[Greed and Death]

The postal service should be run by the government and not for private profit. Canada seems to be cutting back on the most important part of a postal service - delivery. That article seems quite disturbing. We just privatised the Royal Mail in the UK and the taxpayer got stiffed as the shares were clearly sold at a loss. In the longer term the cost of the post will go way up as that has what happened with other services that have been privatised.

This is owned by the government.

The privatized German post still delivers to your door.

[Kanis]

why?

Deutsche Post makes a billion euros in profit and Germany doesn't have overly expensive mail.

A comparison of nominal prices for a domestic standard letter places Germany along with Ireland in the mid-range of the countries surveyed.

Germany is also a lot smaller than Canada geographically. Besides, The Netherlands also privatised postal services and that was just a disaster. Service quality has dropped immensly ever since.

[Ifreann]

why?

Deutsche Post makes a billion euros in profit and Germany doesn't have overly expensive mail.

A comparison of nominal prices for a domestic standard letter places Germany along with Ireland in the mid-range of the countries surveyed.

Ireland's An Post is state owned and, according to Wikipedia, lost €43 million in 2007.

[Souseiseki]

why?

Deutsche Post makes a billion euros in profit and Germany doesn't have overly expensive mail.

A comparison of nominal prices for a domestic standard letter places Germany along with Ireland in the mid-range of the countries surveyed.

how much profit they make humphing packages in indonesia is ultimately irrelevant to me. i'd also be more interested in pre/post privatization comparisons.

[Geilinor]

Deutsche Post makes a billion euros in profit and Germany doesn't have overly expensive mail.

how much profit they make humphing packages in indonesia is ultimately irrelevant to me.

It certainly isn't going to be good for anyone if Canada Post goes under and needs an urgent injection of taxpayer money. State-owned mail is meant to help the poor and vulnerable, but getting rid of home delivery harms the elderly and others with limited mobility.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

how much profit they make humphing packages in indonesia is ultimately irrelevant to me.

It certainly isn't going to be good for anyone if Canada Post goes under and needs an urgent injection of taxpayer money. State-owned mail is meant to help the poor and vulnerable, but getting rid of home delivery harms the elderly and others with limited mobility.

Not only that. Canada Post hasn't made assurances yet that community mailboxes are safe. Even though there are 4,000 incidents related to community boxes, Canada Post insists they are safe.

In addition, Canada Post will need to install a lot of community mailboxes, they will need to maintain them too. I don't see how this will save money for Canada Post.

[Kanis]

It certainly isn't going to be good for anyone if Canada Post goes under and needs an urgent injection of taxpayer money. State-owned mail is meant to help the poor and vulnerable, but getting rid of home delivery harms the elderly and others with limited mobility.

Not only that. Canada Post hasn't made assurances yet that community mailboxes are safe. Even though there are 4,000 incidents related to community boxes, Canada Post insists they are safe.

In addition, Canada Post will need to install a lot of community mailboxes, they will need to maintain them too. I don't see how this will save money for Canada Post.

Saves a lot of wages for mailmen I suppose. They don't have to make rounds anymore. Just go the community mailbox, sort it and they're done. Which means that they can probably lay off a lot of people.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

Not only that. Canada Post hasn't made assurances yet that community mailboxes are safe. Even though there are 4,000 incidents related to community boxes, Canada Post insists they are safe.

In addition, Canada Post will need to install a lot of community mailboxes, they will need to maintain them too. I don't see how this will save money for Canada Post.

Saves a lot of wages for mailmen I suppose. They don't have to make rounds anymore. Just go the community mailbox. sort it and they're done.

I guess that makes sense. After all they'll have to pay them benefits in addition to wages. But the problem here is they made it hard for people with limited mobility hard to get mails. They could have just deliver letters every other day or two.

[Kanis]

Saves a lot of wages for mailmen I suppose. They don't have to make rounds anymore. Just go the community mailbox. sort it and they're done.

I guess that makes sense. After all they'll have to pay them benefits in addition to wages. But the problem here is they made it hard for people with limited mobility hard to get mails. They could have just deliver letters every other day or two.

The problem with delivering every other day is that they'd still need roughly the same amount of employees. Getting these communal mailboxes gives them an excuse to lay off a lot of people. At least, that's what my first thought was. I see how these communal mailboxes would save Canada post money, but I don't think the problems it gives are worth it.

[Nationalist Eminral Republic]

I guess that makes sense. After all they'll have to pay them benefits in addition to wages. But the problem here is they made it hard for people with limited mobility hard to get mails. They could have just deliver letters every other day or two.

The problem with delivering every other day is that they'd still need roughly the same amount of employees. Getting these communal mailboxes gives them an excuse to lay off a lot of people. At least, that's what my first thought was. I see how these communal mailboxes would save Canada post money, but I don't think the problems it gives are worth it.

I agree. They did not address concerns over this plan so I'll expect problems to come up as soon as they start this plan.

[Auralia]

Not only that. Canada Post hasn't made assurances yet that community mailboxes are safe. Even though there are 4,000 incidents related to community boxes, Canada Post insists they are safe.

For what it's worth, I've used a community mailbox all my life. Never had an issue.

In addition, Canada Post will need to install a lot of community mailboxes, they will need to maintain them too. I don't see how this will save money for Canada Post.

Paying someone to deliver mail costs a lot more than installing and maintaining a mailbox, at least in the long term.

Besides, community mailboxes are already used in suburban areas. If it were cheaper to do home delivery, that's what they would be doing.

[New Octopucta]

Should privatize it like Germany.

Germany is considerably smaller than Canada is, and it's therefore considerably cheaper to deliver mail across the whole area. I can't imagine any private business being willing to deliver mail all over Canada.

[The Liberated Territories]

This is great news in my ears. Taxes are one reason part of my family lives in the states. It just isn't worth to burden the taxpayer with a government corporation that is ineffective and bureaucratic.

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

This is great news in my ears. Taxes are one reason part of my family lives in the states. It just isn't worth to burden the taxpayer with a government corporation that is ineffective and bureaucratic.

Enjoy not getting your mail then.

Fucking Conservatives, that's all I gotta say about this.

[The Liberated Territories]

This is great news in my ears. Taxes are one reason part of my family lives in the states. It just isn't worth to burden the taxpayer with a government corporation that is ineffective and bureaucratic.

Enjoy not getting your mail then.

Fucking Conservatives, that's all I gotta say about this.

1.) I don't live in a rural area in Canada anymore. It doesn't affect me.

2.) The system had already been addressed.

3.) If that last response been because of me, then I'd tell you I am not conservative in the slightest.

[Risottia]

The postal service should be run by the government and not for private profit. Canada seems to be cutting back on the most important part of a postal service - delivery. That article seems quite disturbing. We just privatised the Royal Mail in the UK and the taxpayer got stiffed as the shares were clearly sold at a loss. In the longer term the cost of the post will go way up as that has what happened with other services that have been privatised.

Eh.

But Free Market Fairy!