"Santa Claus should be white"

[The Godly Nations]

Oh, so black fathers have to play Santa in whiteface, then? And talk with a pretend white accent?

Dig yourself deeper, Mr. Grinch.

no they don't have to...

They just need to keep in mind that they are playing a White Man...so, while they don't have to, it does help.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Why does this whole debate exist to begin with? It's because people have a problem with Santa being white.

No. No one has a problem with Santa being white.

Apparently Santa has to be multicultural.

Again, no one has said this.

And talking about tilting at windmills, you're getting all aggressive at people who you would fancy racists for saying that Santa is/was white, etc. The fact is, that is just a fact, not racism. It doesn't mean people are hating on blacks or anything like that.

No. For the love of Odin could you once represent my argument correctly? I didn't call anyone a racist for saying that Santa has been portrayed as white. I called someone a racist for saying that he should only be white.

You called God Kefka a racist, or at least said he was spouting blatant racism, though in fairness I don't entirely agree with his particular way of wording his arguments, he wasn't being racist really. You have showed me the same hostility, or at least a similar hostility.

And no one said he should only be white. We have asserted that he is/was white, which he was. That isn't racism.

And since I have started to lose track of my own argument, I referred back to my original post here a couple pages back, and all I said was that Santa was white and that the Fox news presenter was not really saying Santa has to be white as she was responding so some suggestions out in the public that Santa should be multicultural, it would appear, or something along those lines. The assertion was only, from me, that is, that it doesn't need to be an issue. Santa is white. Knowing that, we can all go about our business as we please.

[God Kefka]

I mean... try as hard as you want, a white actor can never fully portray Martin Luther King jr.

So Lawrence Olivier should have never accepted a role as Othello?

A theater won't hire a white person to ever play Martin Luther King jr... not a professional one anyways. It just won't be convincing.

Political correctness and racial blindness doesn't and shouldn't tie art. Art is all about the visual...

Santa is white.

Othello is a black character. Olivier was white.

Elaborate, please, on why Olivier's Othello was not a great stage performance.

I'm all ears.

If there has been a switching of races in this case, then considering just that one factor, the casting is not as authentic as it could have been. As for the performance, maybe it was good, I wouldn't know...

[God Kefka]

no they don't have to...

They just need to keep in mind that they are playing a White Man...so, while they don't have to, it does help.

i would strongly suggest they come up with a new Christmas character who is less racially constrained if they feel the need to (don't see why they should though, what's wrong with playing a white character?)... but Santa Claus, has always been a white man.

[British Prussia]

ffs. santa is yellow because all of his gifts are made in china.

[The Godly Nations]

No. No one has a problem with Santa being white.

Again, no one has said this.

No. For the love of Odin could you once represent my argument correctly? I didn't call anyone a racist for saying that Santa has been portrayed as white. I called someone a racist for saying that he should only be white.

You called God Kefka a racist, or at least said he was spouting blatant racism, though in fairness I don't entirely agree with his particular way of wording his arguments, he wasn't being racist really. You have showed me the same hostility, or at least a similar hostility.

And no one said he should only be white. We have asserted that he is/was white, which he was. That isn't racism.

None of which is true, because he is a fictional character, that doesn't have a static or fixed form, and all the inspiration for Santa can ultimately be traced back to Anatolia, which, despite your assertion, isn't 'White'. Just as Alladin isn't Chinese, despite having a solid document that refers to him as such. It is untrue and nonsense.

And since I have started to lose track of my own argument, I referred back to my original post here a couple pages back, and all I said was that Santa was white and that the Fox news presenter was not really saying Santa has to be white as she was responding so some suggestions out in the public that Santa should be multicultural, it would appear, or something along those lines. The assertion was only, from me, that is, that it doesn't need to be an issue. Santa is white. Knowing that, we can all go about our business as we please.

Santa isn't white, Santa isn't any race at all because there is nothing which makes him definitively white.

[Raltirian Denethier]

ffs. santa is yellow because all of his gifts are made in china.

It's funny because I'm not sure yellow would be anywhere near the politically correct term.

[Mavorpen]

You called God Kefka a racist, or at least said he was spouting blatant racism, though in fairness I don't entirely agree with his particular way of wording his arguments, he wasn't being racist really. You have showed me the same hostility, or at least a similar hostility.

Of course he was being racist.

He stated that a fictional character would be ruined simply by being played by a black person. And this isn't just a random fictional character. It's a fictional character that was explicitly white partially because he represented joy, peace, love, etc. And during the 1800s these things were not associated with black people. There is explicit racism in wanting to limit Santa to only being white because that was the primary reasoning behind it during the 1800s.

And no one said he should only be white. We have asserted that he is/was white, which he was. That isn't racism.

And now you're blatantly lying.

Why should Santa be white? He's from the North Pole, of course, and in the North Pole, they couldn't possibly get enough sunlight to make his skin dark.

Jesus was an Arab, he wasn't white. He was born in what is now Palestine. Let's be realistic about this.

That's EXACTLY what I want to hear... that's EXACTLY what i want to hear...

Santa has to be white. If you want a different character with a different race, put the effort into writing him up. Don't ruin Santa...

And since I have started to lose track of my own argument, I referred back to my original post here a couple pages back, and all I said was that Santa was white and that the Fox news presenter was not really saying Santa has to be white as she was responding so some suggestions out in the public that Santa should be multicultural, it would appear, or something along those lines.

You might want to actually read the relevant sources. Aisha Harris, the woman who the
Fox commentator was criticizing, wrote a tongue in cheek blog about how Santa should be changed to a penguin because it can be confusing for African American children to see both black and white versions for Santa.

It wasn't a "WAAH! I HATE WHITE SANTA! DOWN WITH WHITE SANTA!" You'd know that if you did some research.

[The Godly Nations]

They just need to keep in mind that they are playing a White Man...so, while they don't have to, it does help.

i would strongly suggest they come up with a new Christmas character who is less racially constrained if they feel the need to (don't see why they should though, what's wrong with playing a white character?)... but Santa Claus, has always been a white man.

There is ony time this can be debunked, so I am not going to fucking bother repeating myself.

[God Kefka]

You called God Kefka a racist, or at least said he was spouting blatant racism, though in fairness I don't entirely agree with his particular way of wording his arguments, he wasn't being racist really. You have showed me the same hostility, or at least a similar hostility.

And no one said he should only be white. We have asserted that he is/was white, which he was. That isn't racism.

None of which is true, because he is a fictional character, that doesn't have a static or fixed form, and all the inspiration for Santa can ultimately be traced back to Anatolia, which, despite your assertion, isn't 'White'. Just as Alladin isn't Chinese, despite having a solid document that refers to him as such. It is untrue and nonsense.

And since I have started to lose track of my own argument, I referred back to my original post here a couple pages back, and all I said was that Santa was white and that the Fox news presenter was not really saying Santa has to be white as she was responding so some suggestions out in the public that Santa should be multicultural, it would appear, or something along those lines. The assertion was only, from me, that is, that it doesn't need to be an issue. Santa is white. Knowing that, we can all go about our business as we please.

Santa isn't white, Santa isn't any race at all because there is nothing which makes him definitively white.

then why is every single picture of him on wikipedia that of a WHITE old man?

[British Prussia]

ffs. santa is yellow because all of his gifts are made in china.

It's funny because I'm not sure yellow would be anywhere near the politically correct term.

Exactly

[The Godly Nations]

None of which is true, because he is a fictional character, that doesn't have a static or fixed form, and all the inspiration for Santa can ultimately be traced back to Anatolia, which, despite your assertion, isn't 'White'. Just as Alladin isn't Chinese, despite having a solid document that refers to him as such. It is untrue and nonsense.




Santa isn't white, Santa isn't any race at all because there is nothing which makes him definitively white.

then why is every single picture of him on wikipedia that of a WHITE old man?

How about I replace a picture of one Santa with a black one? Then we will have Wikipedia on our side, and I doubt that the Mods will object to changing a single picture that does not change, in the slightest, the rest of the article.

[Raltirian Denethier]

You called God Kefka a racist, or at least said he was spouting blatant racism, though in fairness I don't entirely agree with his particular way of wording his arguments, he wasn't being racist really. You have showed me the same hostility, or at least a similar hostility.

And no one said he should only be white. We have asserted that he is/was white, which he was. That isn't racism.

None of which is true, because he is a fictional character, that doesn't have a static or fixed form, and all the inspiration for Santa can ultimately be traced back to Anatolia, which, despite your assertion, isn't 'White'. Just as Alladin isn't Chinese, despite having a solid document that refers to him as such. It is untrue and nonsense.

And since I have started to lose track of my own argument, I referred back to my original post here a couple pages back, and all I said was that Santa was white and that the Fox news presenter was not really saying Santa has to be white as she was responding so some suggestions out in the public that Santa should be multicultural, it would appear, or something along those lines. The assertion was only, from me, that is, that it doesn't need to be an issue. Santa is white. Knowing that, we can all go about our business as we please.

Santa isn't white, Santa isn't any race at all because there is nothing which makes him definitively white.

Well, Aladdin is Chinese, specifically because the document refers to him as such.

And Santa, only insofar as he is a character born of Saint Nikolaos, was white. After that, it stands to reason that he remains white.

And, yes, it is white. You've given a lacking show of evidence to support the idea that he wasn't actually Greek. More aptly put, you've failed to put forth a convincing argument for why he was not most likely Greek, considering the ethnic presence in that particular region and the source supporting my claim.

[Raltirian Denethier]

then why is every single picture of him on wikipedia that of a WHITE old man?

How about I replace a picture of one Santa with a black one? Then we will have Wikipedia on our side, and I doubt that the Mods will object to changing a single picture that does not change, in the slightest, the rest of the article.

That is not putting Wikipedia on your side. Statistically Wikipedia is a reliable source, but when you consciously put up a piece of fraudulent material you rather negate that.

[Mushet]

People can do with Santa's image what they want with it, I don't give a shit.

When I was a kid I thought Santa was Inuit, each to their own. Realistically he might be Saami though huh, cuz of his beard, and the reindeer

[Eaglleia]

Well, you know....Turkish people are kind of white (skinned).

[Alien Space Bats]

Because Santa is a representation of joy, giving, etc.

And apparently a black person can't represent those things because only white people are the one true master race.

Well, the answer is obvious, isn't it?

Only white people can be givers.

Minorities are "takers".

That's why some people are so adamant that black families can't see Daddy as Santa Claus.

[The Godly Nations]

None of which is true, because he is a fictional character, that doesn't have a static or fixed form, and all the inspiration for Santa can ultimately be traced back to Anatolia, which, despite your assertion, isn't 'White'. Just as Alladin isn't Chinese, despite having a solid document that refers to him as such. It is untrue and nonsense.




Santa isn't white, Santa isn't any race at all because there is nothing which makes him definitively white.

Well, Aladdin is Chinese, specifically because the document refers to him as such.

NO he isn't. Proof, his lastest, and most famousest, incarnation, is actually Arab/Indian. I speak, of course, of the Disney version.

Most of popular culture accepts him as Arab/Indian.

In fact, Ali Baba and Alladin, as stories, were mostly invented by Galland with Hanna Diab's stories as extremely large and vague outlines that were latter incorporated into the Kitāb alf laylah wa-laylah latter publish under the impetuous of the European vogue for them, and then absorbed into Arab literature as one of their own. Therefore, even if they are actually French in origin, we accept these stories as Arabs, despite being otherwise.

They are, first, pseudo-Arab fairy tales for the amusement of his polite readers.

Second eventually changed in the popular imagination from its original source.

Third, overtaken by the popular imagination to the point where the original source is irrelevant.

And Santa, only insofar as he is a character born of Saint Nikolaos, was white. After that, it stands to reason that he remains white.

You have yet to prove that he is in fact White, and not simply a Greek, in that he is raised in Greek culture and in the Greek language, as Ampuleius.

And, yes, it is white. You've given a lacking show of evidence to support the idea that he wasn't actually Greek. More aptly put, you've failed to put forth a convincing argument for why he was not most likely Greek, considering the ethnic presence in that particular region and the source supporting my claim.

Because you never actually read what I wrote. The assertion that he was greek wasn't disputed, but the claim that being Greek meant ethnic and racial ties, rather than linguistic and cultural ties, is completely bullshit. SImply put, it is creating a strawman.

How do you explain why Hellenized Jews around Alexandria were called 'Greek Jews'? Certainly, by your Ethnic definition, they can't all be Ethnically Greek, as Judaism was, and still is, measured by materal linage.

[The Godly Nations]

How about I replace a picture of one Santa with a black one? Then we will have Wikipedia on our side, and I doubt that the Mods will object to changing a single picture that does not change, in the slightest, the rest of the article.

That is not putting Wikipedia on your side. Statistically Wikipedia is a reliable source, but when you consciously put up a piece of fraudulent material you rather negate that.

How is it fraudulent to put an image of a black Santa- it doesn't change the relevance of the picture to the text, it is, after all, a depiction of Santa, nor is it inaccurate, after all, there are Black representation of Santa Claus, and when your evidence is 'all the pictures on WIkipedia shows a white Santa', changing one image into a black santa destroys his argument without changing jackshit.

[God Kefka]

Because Santa is a representation of joy, giving, etc.

And apparently a black person can't represent those things because only white people are the one true master race.

Well, the answer is obvious, isn't it?

Only white people can be givers.

Minorities are "takers".

That's why some people are so adamant that black families can't see Daddy as Santa Claus.

that's neither here nor there...

[God Kefka]

That is not putting Wikipedia on your side. Statistically Wikipedia is a reliable source, but when you consciously put up a piece of fraudulent material you rather negate that.

How is it fraudulent to put an image of a black Santa- it doesn't change the relevance of the picture to the text, it is, after all, a depiction of Santa, nor is it inaccurate, after all, there are Black representation of Santa Claus, and when your evidence is 'all the pictures on WIkipedia shows a white Santa', changing one image into a black santa destroys his argument without changing jackshit.

it is fraud, because you are not qualified to edit it.

[Mavorpen]

Because Santa is a representation of joy, giving, etc.

And apparently a black person can't represent those things because only white people are the one true master race.

Well, the answer is obvious, isn't it?

Only white people can be givers.

Minorities are "takers".

That's why some people are so adamant that black families can't see Daddy as Santa Claus.

Apparently Megyn Kelly's saying that her comment was tongue in cheek.

C'mon Ms. Kelly. Why back down? Why stop fighting the good fight? Why stop keeping our pure, wholesome portrayals of Santa from being defiled by those black people?

[Mavorpen]

Well, the answer is obvious, isn't it?

Only white people can be givers.

Minorities are "takers".

That's why some people are so adamant that black families can't see Daddy as Santa Claus.

that's neither here nor there...

Do tell us why black people are incapable of representing the ideals Santa represents.

[God Kefka]

that's neither here nor there...

Do tell us why black people are incapable of representing the ideals Santa represents.

Santa Claus is a fictional character... a white fictional character. He's always been a jolly old white man... that's why. It doesn't get more complicated then that...

[The Godly Nations]

How is it fraudulent to put an image of a black Santa- it doesn't change the relevance of the picture to the text, it is, after all, a depiction of Santa, nor is it inaccurate, after all, there are Black representation of Santa Claus, and when your evidence is 'all the pictures on WIkipedia shows a white Santa', changing one image into a black santa destroys his argument without changing jackshit.

it is fraud, because you are not qualified to edit it.

Most of their pictures are in black and white:



Do you expect to tell me that that automatically means that they are white?