"Santa Claus should be white"

[The Godly Nations]

Did you even read what I wrote- Greek, in that era, had no racial implication, what defined a person as Greek was his adherence to Greek cultural norm. He was born in Lydia, which was early hellenized, it does not follow he is a White man.

Except that the area was populated by ethnic Greeks for a long time. And, again, the source provided says He was born Greek. Your assertion to the meaning of Greek is no where supported.

All relevant literature support my definition of Greek as being part of the Hellenosphere, and it would be absurd if it weren't, because for most of its history, most Greeks were united by little more than shared language and culture, and people like Ampuleius, was a Numidian Berber according to Wikipedia, but certainly considered himself, and was considered by others, as Greek, as he wrote his first writing in Greek, spoke Greek, and studied in Athens.

[North Calaveras]

Might as well make Alladin Nordic while were at it.

[Mavorpen]

Might as well make Alladin Nordic while were at it.

If you want to, why not?

[God Kefka]

Oh come on... there is NO QUESTION James Bond is white.

Like I said, it's a presumption unless overturned. When a white guy writes a book, characters are assumed to be white unless there is reason to believe otherwise. We also know James Bond is from the United Kingdom.

Really?

There are no black people who live in the UK?

When a white author writes about a character with a white last name and a white first name and who is known to come from a predominantly white country (both the author and the character in this case)... there needs to be no explicit mention of his race for the presumption that the character's race is white to be present and rational.

Ok?

[Raltirian Denethier]

Except that the area was populated by ethnic Greeks for a long time. And, again, the source provided says He was born Greek. Your assertion to the meaning of Greek is no where supported.

All relevant literature support my definition of Greek as being part of the Hellenosphere, and it would be absurd if it weren't, because for most of its history, most Greeks were united by little more than shared language and culture, and people like Ampuleius, was a Numidian Berber according to Wikipedia, but certainly considered himself, and was considered by others, as Greek, as he wrote his first writing in Greek, spoke Greek, and studied in Athens.

Peoples in the Roman Empire were Roman, but that didn't stop Celtic peoples from being Celtic.

The fact remains: that region of Asia Minor was colonized by peoples from Greece. They were ethnically Greek, or at least many of them were. Literature does support the idea of peoples living in a Hellenic world being considered Greek, but Ampuleius was still a Numidian Berber, and Nikolaos was still Greek, at least in the absence of a source saying that he was not (based on the previous provided source citing his Greek birth). That's just the way it is.

[God Kefka]

Might as well make Alladin Nordic while were at it.

If you want to, why not?

Alladin has always been Middle Eastern...

[North Calaveras]

I don't mind interpretation, but as for canon, things shouldn't be changed unless it's done by the owner/owners

for instance, I saw a version of Macbeth set in the modern day, it was good, but we all know it's just an interpretive spin and not the "set in stone" idea of it.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Might as well make Alladin Nordic while were at it.

If you want to, why not?

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

[Mavorpen]

Really?

There are no black people who live in the UK?

When a white author writes about a character with a white last name and a white first name and who is known to come from a predominantly white country (both the author and the character in this case)... there needs to be no explicit mention of his race for the presumption that the character's race is white to be present and rational.

Ok?

Uh... yes there does.

Again, how fucking racist do you have to be to assume there are no black people who have names of European origin and live in Europe.

[God Kefka]

If you want to, why not?

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

yup...

just as Santa has always been white, Blade has always been black, and Goku has always been Asian.

[The Godly Nations]

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.



Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

Well, having read his early novels, James Bond IS described. He is white. He just is. Technically, Daniel Craig's light hair deviates slightly, but oh well.

Regardless, even if he is described, and I am not an avid reader of Flemings, most actors, necessarily, must depart from one or two details of the Character described therein, and are usually given much artistic license. As such, being white is not one of the characteristics of what makes Bond Bond, if a black actor was able to bring about that essential Bond-ness, that no other white actor can, in a way that remains, for the most part, faithful to his character in the book, then that is a fidelity that is worth having, rather than a superficial fidelity to his race and physical apperance.

And why is it bullshit? Why is there a race question? Logic demands that be justified before one proceeds. Why is his race an issue?

Because there is very serious implication about a Black man not being protrayed as the great generous gift giver, that he must be 'White', and he is 'canonically white', when he has no race 'canonically', and even the Japanese have take a great deal of liberty with his age and gender without actually suffering harm to his general character.

[God Kefka]

When a white author writes about a character with a white last name and a white first name and who is known to come from a predominantly white country (both the author and the character in this case)... there needs to be no explicit mention of his race for the presumption that the character's race is white to be present and rational.

Ok?

Uh... yes there does.

Again, how fucking racist do you have to be to assume there are no black people who have names of European origin and live in Europe.

Except you know... I never said that. You brought it up...

[Mavorpen]

I don't mind interpretation, but as for canon, things shouldn't be changed unless it's done by the owner/owners

Then Santa's free game since no one owns him.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

yup...

just as Santa has always been white, Blade has always been black, and Goku has always been Asian.

Well, Goku isn't really Asian. Earth in that universe doesn't have an Asia...

[Mavorpen]

Uh... yes there does.

Again, how fucking racist do you have to be to assume there are no black people who have names of European origin and live in Europe.

Except you know... I never said that. You brought it up...

You didn't?

Good, then assuming a character is white based off of those things is not legitimate.

[Mavorpen]

If you want to, why not?

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

Again, why do you give a fuck if someone makes him Nordic?

How does it change the character in any meaningful way?

[God Kefka]

Except you know... I never said that. You brought it up...

You didn't?

Good, then assuming a character is white based off of those things is not legitimate.

if a white author wrote up a character who has a white first name and a white last name (the character) and that character is born in a predominantly white country and works for a predominantly white government... the presumption is that such a character is white.

[Raltirian Denethier]

I don't mind interpretation, but as for canon, things shouldn't be changed unless it's done by the owner/owners

Then Santa's free game since no one owns him.

It's not so much a matter of ownership. It's a matter of who the character IS and ISN'T.

Again, not that I object to the idea of people thinking of a black Santa. I object to the idea of people objecting to the common image of Santa. I object to the idea that one should force such an arbitrary change.

[The Godly Nations]

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

yup...

just as Santa has always been white, Blade has always been black, and Goku has always been Asian.

Goku isn't Asian because 1) The Dragon Ball Z world isn't exactly Earth, 2) Goku is a Saiyan, an alien race much like Superman, and 3) There really isn't any indication within the Anime or Manga to confirm that even if the above two didn't apply, he still would be Asian.

[Mavorpen]

You didn't?

Good, then assuming a character is white based off of those things is not legitimate.

if a white author wrote up a character who has a white first name and a white last name (the character) and that character is born in a predominantly white country and works for a predominantly white government... the presumption is that such a character is white.

No it isn't.

[Mavorpen]

Then Santa's free game since no one owns him.

It's not so much a matter of ownership. It's a matter of who the character IS and ISN'T.

Again, not that I object to the idea of people thinking of a black Santa. I object to the idea of people objecting to the common image of Santa. I object to the idea that one should force such an arbitrary change.

Then you're objecting to...nothing.

I have no idea what you think I'm saying, but it's none of those things.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Because he wasn't Nordic.......... This isn't an argument made in the interest of multiculturalism so much as it is a determination to be illogical.

Again, why do you give a fuck if someone makes him Nordic?

How does it change the character in any meaningful way?

Because he isn't Nordic. It's not that it impacts the nature of the character or anything deeply analytical like that. He just isn't. It's a fact. It is perfectly fine for me to expect people to accept hard facts.

[North Calaveras]

Again, why do you give a fuck if someone makes him Nordic?

How does it change the character in any meaningful way?

Because he isn't Nordic. It's not that it impacts the nature of the character or anything deeply analytical like that. He just isn't. It's a fact. It is perfectly fine for me to expect people to accept hard facts.

Only way I could see them do it is if they did an alternate interpretation of the story of alladin and changed his name to a Nordic one, then I could see it perhaps. Still wouldn't be considered the original however.

[Mavorpen]

Again, why do you give a fuck if someone makes him Nordic?

How does it change the character in any meaningful way?

Because he isn't Nordic. It's not that it impacts the nature of the character or anything deeply analytical like that. He just isn't. It's a fact. It is perfectly fine for me to expect people to accept hard facts.

Which is what they're doing.

Them believing that Alladin in the original story isn't Nordic has jack shit to do with their version of it where he is.

[Raltirian Denethier]

Because he isn't Nordic. It's not that it impacts the nature of the character or anything deeply analytical like that. He just isn't. It's a fact. It is perfectly fine for me to expect people to accept hard facts.

Only way I could see them do it is if they did an alternate interpretation of the story of alladin and changed his name to a Nordic one, then I could see it perhaps. Still wouldn't be considered the original however.

That's fair. Though, that wouldn't really be Aladdin anymore; it would be a story set in Scandinavia most likely and inspired by or based on Aladdin of the Thousand and One Nights.