"Santa Claus should be white"

[Aeken]

So? Who cares? Santa isn't made to represent that he's white.

And? Is that detrimental to the character?

Visuals and racial baggage are part of character.

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

And absolutely yes, I would object to a Harry Potter movie that for no reason at all other than to appeal to some notion of political correctness, liberalism or to sell more viewings to some demographic... decides to single out Ron Weasley and make him black.

I never said anything about liberal bias.

[God Kefka]

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?

his physical appearance has been altered from the canon to a level that is unacceptable and beyond recognition...

Santa Claus has always been a white old man.

[God Kefka]

Visuals and racial baggage are part of character.

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

And absolutely yes, I would object to a Harry Potter movie that for no reason at all other than to appeal to some notion of political correctness, liberalism or to sell more viewings to some demographic... decides to single out Ron Weasley and make him black.

I never said anything about liberal bias.

Ok.

[The Godly Nations]

No, Greek, during that era, had no racial connotation, and someone like Ampuelus, who was born in Egypt, was considered Greek because he belonged not to some Greek ethnic background, and so is white, but because he was part of a greater Greek culture and he spoke Greek. Greek wasn't tied with ethnicity or race, it was tied with language and lifestlye. That was why we could speak of something called 'Greek Jews', they were Jews by ties of religion and ethnicity, but they were Greek because they wholeheartedly accepted the Greek lifestyle and the Greek language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas#Life

Not only was he "born a Greek," he was born in an area colonized by Greeks more than 800 years before his birth, so there would be a large ethnic Greek population there anyway. It stands to reason that he was actually Greek.

Did you even read what I wrote- Greek, in that era, had no racial implication, what defined a person as Greek was his adherence to Greek cultural norm. He was born in Lydia, which was early hellenized, it does not follow he is a White man.

[Mavorpen]

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?

his physical appearance has been altered from the canon to a level that is unacceptable and beyond recognition...

Santa Claus has always been a white old man.

Again, keep up the blatant racism.

[North Calaveras]

negative

if you changed blade to Asian you would be booed beyond belief because blade is very...very black.

might as well change mace windu to a white guy while were at it...

They changed the Karate Kid from a white Joisey boy in California, to a Black kid in China, and that didn't do the film much harm, I doubt that changing blade into an Asian, if done well, would get people 'booed'.

are you serious...the new karate kid will never be on the same level as the old one.

as for Asian blade that makes no damn sense same for black 007. They are traditional black and white characters which shouldn't be meddled with. There are some exceptions, but damn their race in a way makes them who they are.

[Mavorpen]

are you serious...the new karate kid will never be on the same level as the old one.

He didn't say the movie was good, you know.

[The Godly Nations]

So we, the viewers, are able to accept 007's transistion from one actor to another, but we can't accept his race being changed? I mean changing from the immortal Sean to Rodger Moore is alright, but God forbid we get a black guy.

Saint Nicholas was an Anatolian, not white.

Maybe, if the Asian actor was much better all the other candidates.

Saint Nicholas himself isn't Santa Claus though (he's more of a religious figure). He's just one of the many inspirations... the final draft of the character is often considered Father Christmas in Britain. And there he's always been drawn as white/Western European...

No, Father Christmas formerly dressed in Green and had a crown of mistletoe, hardly the same as the Modern Santa.

[The Godly Nations]

They changed the Karate Kid from a white Joisey boy in California, to a Black kid in China, and that didn't do the film much harm, I doubt that changing blade into an Asian, if done well, would get people 'booed'.

are you serious...the new karate kid will never be on the same level as the old one.

as for Asian blade that makes no damn sense same for black 007. They are traditional black and white characters which shouldn't be meddled with. There are some exceptions, but damn their race in a way makes them who they are.

I disliked both, but I had to say the new one was maginally better than the old.

How about an example from 'high art', Shakespeare. He was European, his plays all set in Europe, and, yet, the best film adaption of King Lear and MacBeth are Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood, Japanese actors in a Japanese Setting.

[North Calaveras]

are you serious...the new karate kid will never be on the same level as the old one.

as for Asian blade that makes no damn sense same for black 007. They are traditional black and white characters which shouldn't be meddled with. There are some exceptions, but damn their race in a way makes them who they are.

I disliked both, but I had to say the new one was maginally better than the old.

it damn sure wasn't because jayden smith was in it.

[God Kefka]

his physical appearance has been altered from the canon to a level that is unacceptable and beyond recognition...

Santa Claus has always been a white old man.

Again, keep up the blatant racism.

Except it's not really racist. It's just tradition and art... if a character is canonically of a certain race, then you have to respect the character and not alter him beyond recognition.

[Mavorpen]

Again, keep up the blatant racism.

Except it's not really racist. It's just tradition and art... if a character is canonically of a certain race, then you have respect the character and not alter him beyond recognition.

Are black people another species?

[The Godly Nations]

I disliked both, but I had to say the new one was maginally better than the old.

it damn sure wasn't because jayden smith was in it.

So, because the new kid was black, it somehow ruined the whole movie. I would hate to see your reaction to Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood.

But...but...Shakespeare was white...why are they all squinty-eyed japs?

[Mavorpen]

it damn sure wasn't because jayden smith was in it.

So, because the new kid was black, it somehow ruined the whole movie. I would hate to see your reaction to Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood.

But...but...Shakespeare was white...why are they all squinty-eyed japs?

To be fair, Jayden Smith is a shitty actor regardless of his race.

[Raltirian Denethier]

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

[North Calaveras]

it damn sure wasn't because jayden smith was in it.

So, because the new kid was black, it somehow ruined the whole movie. I would hate to see your reaction to Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood.

But...but...Shakespeare was white...why are they all squinty-eyed japs?

It's not just cause he was black it's everything about the film, seemed like will smith just wanted his baby boy to be the karate kid.

If we took Samuel L jacksons character from pulp fiction and made him a white guy it would be awkward as fuck.

[Mavorpen]

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

No idea what you're talking about.

Utterly no one is asking for the image to be forced to change. The image changed naturally from the beginning of the 1900s.

[Mavorpen]

So, because the new kid was black, it somehow ruined the whole movie. I would hate to see your reaction to Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood.

But...but...Shakespeare was white...why are they all squinty-eyed japs?

It's not just cause he was black it's everything about the film, seemed like will smith just wanted his baby boy to be the karate kid.

If we took Samuel L jacksons character from pulp fiction and made him a white guy it would be awkward as fuck.

...Not at all.

I would LOVE to see a white guy play that role.

[The Godly Nations]

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

[Raltirian Denethier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas#Life

Not only was he "born a Greek," he was born in an area colonized by Greeks more than 800 years before his birth, so there would be a large ethnic Greek population there anyway. It stands to reason that he was actually Greek.

Did you even read what I wrote- Greek, in that era, had no racial implication, what defined a person as Greek was his adherence to Greek cultural norm. He was born in Lydia, which was early hellenized, it does not follow he is a White man.

Except that the area was populated by ethnic Greeks for a long time. And, again, the source provided says He was born Greek. Your assertion to the meaning of Greek is no where supported.

[North Calaveras]

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

nah this is just people wanting to feel special about themselves, so they make a black santa to try to make themselves feel comfortable.

that actually sound more rascist to me, that people can't be comfortable with the race of the character to begin with...

[The Godly Nations]

So, because the new kid was black, it somehow ruined the whole movie. I would hate to see your reaction to Kurosawa's Ran and Throne of Blood.

But...but...Shakespeare was white...why are they all squinty-eyed japs?

It's not just cause he was black it's everything about the film, seemed like will smith just wanted his baby boy to be the karate kid.

If we took Samuel L jacksons character from pulp fiction and made him a white guy it would be awkward as fuck.

No it wouldn't.

[God Kefka]

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

Oh come on... there is NO QUESTION James Bond is white.

Like I said, it's a presumption unless overturned. When a white guy writes a book, characters are assumed to be white unless there is reason to believe otherwise. We also know James Bond is from the United Kingdom.

[Mavorpen]

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.



Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

Oh come on... there is NO QUESTION James Bond is white.

Like I said, it's a presumption unless overturned. When a white guy writes a book, characters are assumed to be white unless there is reason to believe otherwise. We also know James Bond is from the United Kingdom.

Really?

There are no black people who live in the UK?

[Raltirian Denethier]

He's being perhaps a bit aggressive in his objection to the notion, but I think what he means is that a character's race is part of the character.

For instance, there was some mention of James Bond above. Ian Fleming's character was white. That isn't the author being racist, he just wrote about a white guy. In that respect, there is some boundary to how a character should be changed, particularly if it is a forced change out of ill-founded offense. That is, the objection is simply because someone feels unrepresented by the image of the character, but the character is not, in his possession of a defined race, not actually harming the individual, who is just complaining for undefined reasons.

Ian Flemings never explicitly stated his character's race, there is no reason to assume that James Bond was white based upon the text alone.

As far as I'm concerned, it isn't an issue of Santa should not be black so much as it is Santa is traditionally portrayed as white, and that does no one any harm. Yes, you can think of him as black if it please you, but you've no business whining to society about an empirical non-issue; in other words, why force the image of Santa to change?

Only that is all bullshit, trying to brush away the race question under the rug.

Well, having read his early novels, James Bond IS described. He is white. He just is. Technically, Daniel Craig's light hair deviates slightly, but oh well.

And why is it bullshit? Why is there a race question? Logic demands that be justified before one proceeds. Why is his race an issue?