"Santa Claus should be white"

[God Kefka]

i agree with this...

I presume that you would also agree that black people are only three fifth of a person, that they should be back tending the cotton fields, Chinese should be driven back to China, natives need the guiding hand of the white man to lead them to civilisation and Christiandom, and other such ideas, from the era you seem to fetishise, the eras before the 1950s, an era when Santa was definitely White.

Look even if what you say about St. Nick's non-white status has any merit... Anatolian is very damn close to white.

And there is no dispute that by the time the modern Santa Claus was born in Britain in the form of Father Christmas, he is most definitely white. Just look at all the artwork fro the era...

St Nick is at best a distant inspiration for Santa Claus anyways. It's the western European incarnation we want to focus on.

I presume that you would also agree that black people are only three fifth of a person, that they should be back tending the cotton fields, Chinese should be driven back to China, natives need the guiding hand of the white man to lead them to civilisation and Christiandom, and other such ideas, from the era you seem to fetishise, the eras before the 1950s, an era when Santa was definitely White.

I'm sorry but where is this coming from?

[The Godly Nations]

Then why do you have a strange fetish for a time when blacks were enslaved?

Why do you think it's a good thing that blacks were never represented as a symbol of joy, giving, etc. during the 1800s?

The only logical conclusion is that you really, really don't enjoy a positive figure being depicted as black.

your personal attacks are neither here nor there...

Santa Claus is white. Look at all the pictures from before the 1900s...

1. None of the sources for Santa Claus were white.

2. Most images of Santa were printed, which mean that his race is indeterminate.

3. Please provide proof that Santa should definitely be depicted white, when Jesus, who have been traditionally depicted as white, was quickly adapted as Black, Chinese, Hispanic, etc.

[Mavorpen]

your personal attacks are neither here nor there...

Attacking one's ethos is a legitimate debate strategy. Trying to understand the rationality behind your beliefs is important.

And quite frankly, you haven't provided a legitimate alternative to my claim.

[Raltirian Denethier]

i agree with this...

I presume that you would also agree that black people are only three fifth of a person, that they should be back tending the cotton fields, Chinese should be driven back to China, natives need the guiding hand of the white man to lead them to civilisation and Christiandom, and other such ideas, from the era you seem to fetishise, the eras before the 1950s, an era when Santa was definitely White.

He isn't saying anything racist.

And, to your above, he would have been Greek, as that area was colonized by Greeks. Greek doesn't just arbitrarily mean anyone from that region. The fact is, he was Greek, ethnically, and was therefore white.

Am I a racist if I tell you I am white? Should I need to be somehow multicultural?

[The Godly Nations]

your personal attacks are neither here nor there...

Attacking one's ethos is a legitimate debate strategy. Trying to understand the rationality behind your beliefs is important.

And quite frankly, you haven't provided a legitimate alternative to my claim.

Well, because Santa, like God, requires lots of faith to believe in in the first place, and with faith, Santa, like God, is also, and strangely enough, white.

[North Calaveras]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

[God Kefka]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

exactly... look at all the pictures from the canon. Santa has always been white... and he should stay that way. It's part of what makes the character cool... he must remain a white old man... true to the tradition.

[God Kefka]

Attacking one's ethos is a legitimate debate strategy. Trying to understand the rationality behind your beliefs is important.

And quite frankly, you haven't provided a legitimate alternative to my claim.

Well, because Santa, like God, requires lots of faith to believe in in the first place, and with faith, Santa, like God, is also, and strangely enough, white.

and therefore?

[The Godly Nations]

He isn't saying anything racist.

And, to your above, he would have been Greek, as that area was colonized by Greeks. Greek doesn't just arbitrarily mean anyone from that region. The fact is, he was Greek, ethnically, and was therefore white.

Am I a racist if I tell you I am white? Should I need to be somehow multicultural?

No, Greek, during that era, had no racial connotation, and someone like Ampuelus, who was born in Egypt, was considered Greek because he belonged not to some Greek ethnic background, and so is white, but because he was part of a greater Greek culture and he spoke Greek. Greek wasn't tied with ethnicity or race, it was tied with language and lifestlye. That was why we could speak of something called 'Greek Jews', they were Jews by ties of religion and ethnicity, but they were Greek because they wholeheartedly accepted the Greek lifestyle and the Greek language.

[North Calaveras]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

exactly... look at all the pictures from the canon. Santa has always been white... and he should stay that way. It's part of what makes the character cool... he must remain a white old man... true to the tradition.

yup, it's not rascism it's just tradition.

[God Kefka]

your personal attacks are neither here nor there...

Attacking one's ethos is a legitimate debate strategy. Trying to understand the rationality behind your beliefs is important.

And quite frankly, you haven't provided a legitimate alternative to my claim.

I believe that is a form of ad hominem (to attack someone's ''ethos'' rather than their arguments).

Also, I have provided a legitimate alternative. The protection of the sanctity of one of history's greatest fictional characters...

[Aeken]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

exactly... look at all the pictures from the canon. Santa has always been white... and he should stay that way. It's part of what makes the character cool... he must remain a white old man... true to the tradition.

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

[Dakran]

Why is this an issue? Why does it matter?! It's a holiday about giving and being with family is it not? I wouldn't give half a damn if Santa was white, black, Mexican or martian. Why can't the media focus on something relevant like foreign affairs?

[North Calaveras]

exactly... look at all the pictures from the canon. Santa has always been white... and he should stay that way. It's part of what makes the character cool... he must remain a white old man... true to the tradition.

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

because saint nick isn't Asian that's why...

[God Kefka]

exactly... look at all the pictures from the canon. Santa has always been white... and he should stay that way. It's part of what makes the character cool... he must remain a white old man... true to the tradition.

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

yes it does... it would be like having a black Ron Weasley in a Harry Potter film... or a white Blade in a Blade movie...

[The Godly Nations]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

So we, the viewers, are able to accept 007's transistion from one actor to another, but we can't accept his race being changed? I mean changing from the immortal Sean to Rodger Moore is alright, but God forbid we get a black guy.

Saint Nicholas was an Anatolian, not white.

Maybe, if the Asian actor was much better all the other candidates.

[Aeken]

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

because saint nick isn't Asian that's why...

So? Who cares? Santa isn't made to represent that he's white.

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

yes it does... it would be like having a black Ron Weasley in a Harry Potter film... or a white Blade in a Blade movie...

And? Is that detrimental to the character?

[God Kefka]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

So we, the viewers, are able to accept 007's transistion from one actor to another, but we can't accept his race being changed? I mean changing from the immortal Sean to Rodger Moore is alright, but God forbid we get a black guy.

Saint Nicholas was an Anatolian, not white.

Maybe, if the Asian actor was much better all the other candidates.

Saint Nicholas himself isn't Santa Claus though (he's more of a religious figure). He's just one of the many inspirations... the final draft of the character is often considered Father Christmas in Britain. And there he's always been drawn as white/Western European...

[North Calaveras]

santa should be white

it's like having james bond be black all of a sudden

saint nick is a white guy, just is what it is.

you wouldn't turn blade Asian would you?

So we, the viewers, are able to accept 007's transistion from one actor to another, but we can't accept his race being changed? I mean changing from the immortal Sean to Rodger Moore is alright, but God forbid we get a black guy.

Saint Nicholas was an Anatolian, not white.

Maybe, if the Asian actor was much better all the other candidates.

negative

if you changed blade to Asian you would be booed beyond belief because blade is very...very black.

might as well change mace windu to a white guy while were at it...

[The Godly Nations]

Why should it matter what his race is? It doesn't disrupt anything about him.

because saint nick isn't Asian that's why...

An Asian Chick Santa.

[Raltirian Denethier]

He isn't saying anything racist.

And, to your above, he would have been Greek, as that area was colonized by Greeks. Greek doesn't just arbitrarily mean anyone from that region. The fact is, he was Greek, ethnically, and was therefore white.

Am I a racist if I tell you I am white? Should I need to be somehow multicultural?

No, Greek, during that era, had no racial connotation, and someone like Ampuelus, who was born in Egypt, was considered Greek because he belonged not to some Greek ethnic background, and so is white, but because he was part of a greater Greek culture and he spoke Greek. Greek wasn't tied with ethnicity or race, it was tied with language and lifestlye. That was why we could speak of something called 'Greek Jews', they were Jews by ties of religion and ethnicity, but they were Greek because they wholeheartedly accepted the Greek lifestyle and the Greek language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas#Life

Not only was he "born a Greek," he was born in an area colonized by Greeks more than 800 years before his birth, so there would be a large ethnic Greek population there anyway. It stands to reason that he was actually Greek.

[Mavorpen]

I believe that is a form of ad hominem (to attack someone's ''ethos'' rather than their arguments).

No it isn't.

If you made a false claim about climate science and I said that you aren't a climate scientist, that isn't an ad hominem.

Also, I have provided a legitimate alternative. The protection of the sanctity of one of history's greatest fictional characters...

Which is again, explicitly racist.

You're saying that Santa's sanctity and what he represents as a character is ruined solely because he's portrayed as black.

[God Kefka]

because saint nick isn't Asian that's why...

So? Who cares? Santa isn't made to represent that he's white.

yes it does... it would be like having a black Ron Weasley in a Harry Potter film... or a white Blade in a Blade movie...

And? Is that detrimental to the character?

Visuals and racial baggage are part of character.

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

And absolutely yes, I would object to a Harry Potter movie that for no reason at all other than to appeal to some notion of political correctness, liberalism or to sell more viewings to some demographic... decides to single out Ron Weasley and make him black.

[The Godly Nations]

So we, the viewers, are able to accept 007's transistion from one actor to another, but we can't accept his race being changed? I mean changing from the immortal Sean to Rodger Moore is alright, but God forbid we get a black guy.

Saint Nicholas was an Anatolian, not white.

Maybe, if the Asian actor was much better all the other candidates.

negative

if you changed blade to Asian you would be booed beyond belief because blade is very...very black.

might as well change mace windu to a white guy while were at it...

They changed the Karate Kid from a white Joisey boy in California, to a Black kid in China, and that didn't do the film much harm, I doubt that changing blade into an Asian, if done well, would get people 'booed'.

[Mavorpen]

You can't arbitrarily change the race of characters just to fit liberal bias. This waters down what makes the characters distinct and unique.

How does a character becoming a minority make them LESS distinct and unique?