"Santa Claus should be white"

[Mavorpen]

Just to name a few legends:
St. Nick, who is always drawn as white or white/middle eastern

Not Santa Claus.

Sinterklaas, who is always white due to being from northern Germany

Not Santa Claus.

Father Christmas, who is default white due to being from England

Not Santa Claus.

Ghost of Christmas past from a Christmas Carol, who was white and contributed many characteristics to modern Santa

Not Santa Claus.

Odin, a white God who contributed to Father Christmas and Sinterklaas after Christianization.

Not Santa Claus.

Coca-Cola Santa, which is basically modern Santa and is always white in the ads.

Which isn't a "legend."

You might want to do some actual research on the difference between Santa Claus and the individuals he is based off of. As well as what a "legend" is and the difference between a legend and a drawing.

[The Godly Nations]

It is an abomination if MacBeth isn't white...oh wait:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_Macbeth

Macbeth is canonically white. So is the whole cast. Its set in the United Kingdom in the age of kings for god's sake...

having an entire black cast play it has to inevitably be a bit unfaithful to the source material...

Hear that Akira Kurosawa, Ran and Throne of Blood are pieces of shits because King Lear and MacBeth must be white.

[Mavorpen]

Just to name a few legends:
St. Nick, who is always drawn as white or white/middle eastern
Sinterklaas, who is always white due to being from northern Germany
Father Christmas, who is default white due to being from England
Ghost of Christmas past from a Christmas Carol, who was white and contribute many characteristics to modern Santa
Odin, a white God who contributed to Father Christmas and Sinterklaas after Christianization.
Coca-Cola Santa, which is basically modern Santa and is always white in the ads.

exactly...

Santa Claus has always been white. He's not new puppet for some liberal agenda for diversity where you can just change his race at will... He's an artistic creation and the race is a part of him. He's white...

So tell us, how does changing the race impact what Santa Claus stands represents?

[Siaos]

Just to name a few legends:
St. Nick, who is always drawn as white or white/middle eastern

Not Santa Claus.

Sinterklaas, who is always white due to being from northern Germany

Not Santa Claus.

Father Christmas, who is default white due to being from England

Not Santa Claus.

Ghost of Christmas past from a Christmas Carol, who was white and contributed many characteristics to modern Santa

Not Santa Claus.

Odin, a white God who contributed to Father Christmas and Sinterklaas after Christianization.

Not Santa Claus.

Coca-Cola Santa, which is basically modern Santa and is always white in the ads.

Which isn't a "legend."

You might want to do some actual research on the difference between Santa Claus and the individuals he is based off of. As well as what a "legend" is and the difference between a legend and a drawing.

Santa Claus is merely an evolution of the characters mentioned above. All of the above, except for the Coca Cola ad, are legends, and they all feature a white Santa-esque character.

In other words, Modern Santa is basically an extension of the Sinterklaas, St. Nick, amd Father Christmas legends, who in turn took ideas from the legend of Odin. All of these characters are white.

[The Godly Nations]

There is no "the legend." There are multiple legends. No actual legend specifically says he is white.

Now drawings of him portray him as white. They also portray him as black.

Just to name a few legends:
St. Nick, who is always drawn as white or white/middle eastern

Anatolian, so not white.

Sinterklaas, who is always white due to being from northern Germany

That's just a Dutch corruption of 'Saint Nicolas', who was, in fact, as mentioned above, Anatolian, and thus, not white.

Father Christmas, who is default white due to being from England

Father Christmas isn't white, he's an anthromorphic representation of the season, with analogies to Pere Noel in France.

Ghost of Christmas past from a Christmas Carol, who was white and contributed many characteristics to modern Santa

Not white given that he is a spirit.

Odin, a white God who contributed to Father Christmas and Sinterklaas after Christianization.

Odin was associated with Mercury, who was associated with the Egyptian Thoth. Therefore, he is liable to be North African.

Coca-Cola Santa, which is basically modern Santa and is always white in the ads.

If Coca Cola got out a black Santa, would you immediately leave your Aryan Santa?

[Siaos]

exactly...

Santa Claus has always been white. He's not new puppet for some liberal agenda for diversity where you can just change his race at will... He's an artistic creation and the race is a part of him. He's white...

So tell us, how does changing the race impact what Santa Claus stands represents?

It doesn't, it's merely a matter of preserving tradition.

[God Kefka]

Macbeth is canonically white. So is the whole cast. Its set in the United Kingdom in the age of kings for god's sake...

having an entire black cast play it has to inevitably be a bit unfaithful to the source material...

Hear that Akira Kurosawa, Ran and Throne of Blood are pieces of shits because King Lear and MacBeth must be white.

no... these non-white actors are allowed and have the right to play characters in MacBeth. It's just that they are still playing white characters...

[Mavorpen]

Santa Claus is merely an evolution of the characters mentioned above. All of the above, except for the Coca Cola ad, are legends, and they all feature a white Santa-esque character.

And none of them, in the legends, specifically say Santa Claus (the actual character Santa Claus) is white.

In other words, Modern Santa is basically an extension of the Sinterklaas, St. Nick, amd Father Christmas legends, who in turn took ideas from the legend of Odin. All of these characters are white.

Source?

Because you still refuse to quote the legends stating they are white.

[Mavorpen]

So tell us, how does changing the race impact what Santa Claus stands represents?

It doesn't, it's merely a matter of preserving tradition.

No it isn't.

Otherwise, you would be rallying against Santa having a red suit and not smoking since he initially had a tan suit and smoked a pipe.

[God Kefka]

So tell us, how does changing the race impact what Santa Claus stands represents?

It doesn't, it's merely a matter of preserving tradition.

it messes up the visuals for one thing and waters down the tradition...

Santa Claus is jolly white old man. Always has been and always should be. Stay true to the legend...

If you want a new black hero for Christmas, write him up. But don't water down Santa...

[Mavorpen]

It doesn't, it's merely a matter of preserving tradition.

it messes up the visuals for one thing and waters down the tradition...

Santa Claus is jolly white old man. Always has been and always should be. Stay true to the legend...

If you want a new black hero for Christmas, write him up. But don't water down Santa...

Again, what legend? You've refused to quote any "legend" saying he's white.

[God Kefka]

It doesn't, it's merely a matter of preserving tradition.

No it isn't.

Otherwise, you would be rallying against Santa having a red suit and not smoking since he initially had a tan suit and smoked a pipe.

Santa can change his clothes, and it is possible for him to quit smoking.

He CAN'T magically change his race unless the canon establishes that he has this magical power. Also, you can't retcon.

As such, he is white.

[Mavorpen]

Santa can change his clothes, and it is possible for him to quit smoking.

Which legend says this? Quote it.

[God Kefka]

Santa can change his clothes, and it is possible for him to quit smoking.

Which legend says this? Quote it.

it's common sense that he can change his clothes. It's not common sense that he can change his race. The first is assumed by canon, the second must be established by canon (in fact, the canon contradicts it because he's always white).

Just like common sense would assume that wizards in Harry Potter use the bathroom (unless proven otherwise). It's a common sense presumption. HOWEVER, if you are asserting wizards can teleport between galaxies... THEN you need proof.

[The Godly Nations]

Hear that Akira Kurosawa, Ran and Throne of Blood are pieces of shits because King Lear and MacBeth must be white.

no... these non-white actors are allowed and have the right to play characters in MacBeth. It's just that they are still playing white characters...

Have you ever seen Ran, or Throne of Blood? They both take place in Japan. Playing Japanese Characters. In a Japanese Setting. In the Japanese language. With Japanese actors.

[Mavorpen]

Which legend says this? Quote it.

it's common sense that he can change his clothes.

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

[Gauthier]

Which legend says this? Quote it.

it's common sense that he can change his clothes. It's not common sense that he can change his race. The first is assumed by canon, the second must be established by canon (in fact, the canon contradicts it because he's always white).

It's funny how you keep using "canon" like Santa Claus was a literary or comic book character.

[Siaos]

Just to name a few legends:
St. Nick, who is always drawn as white or white/middle eastern

Anatolian, so not white.

Anatolians were essentially white. They had some middle-eastern mixed in, but they looked caucasian.

Sinterklaas, who is always white due to being from northern Germany

That's just a Dutch corruption of 'Saint Nicolas', who was, in fact, as mentioned above, Anatolian, and thus, not white.

Source?

Father Christmas, who is default white due to being from England

Father Christmas isn't white, he's an anthromorphic representation of the season, with analogies to Pere Noel in France.

Who is always displayed as a white male

Ghost of Christmas past from a Christmas Carol, who was white and contributed many characteristics to modern Santa

Not white given that he is a spirit.

He is the spirit of a white man, from the looks of it. Probably a king.

Odin, a white God who contributed to Father Christmas and Sinterklaas after Christianization.

Odin was associated with Mercury, who was associated with the Egyptian Thoth. Therefore, he is liable to be North African.

Source? And considering he was worshipped in Scandinavia, it's liable he's white.

Coca-Cola Santa, which is basically modern Santa and is always white in the ads.

If Coca Cola got out a black Santa, would you immediately leave your Aryan Santa?

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Considering it's probably to look good and multi-cultural, not really, no.
Also, he's not aryan. Aryans have blonde hair and blue eyes.

[God Kefka]

it's common sense that he can change his clothes.

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

read what I said above... about the presumptions.

[Gauthier]

it's common sense that he can change his clothes.

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

So Santa is a smelly hobo with lung cancer?

[Mavorpen]

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

read what I said above... about the presumptions.

Still waiting on that legend.

[Mavorpen]

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

So Santa is a smelly hobo with lung cancer?

Only on his off days.

[Siaos]

it's common sense that he can change his clothes.

So there is no legend saying he can change his clothes and quit smoking.

Ergo, he can't change his clothes and quit smoking.

The ability to change clothes and quit smoking is assumed. That's why you barely ever see books saying, "He could change his clothes, like everyone else in the world!". If he could change his race, it would have to be mentioned, or he can't do it. That's because it's not assumed.

[God Kefka]

read what I said above... about the presumptions.

Still waiting on that legend.

it's common sense that he can change his clothes. It's not common sense that he can change his race. The first is assumed by canon, the second must be established by canon (in fact, the canon contradicts it because he's always white).

Just like common sense would assume that wizards in Harry Potter use the bathroom (unless proven otherwise). It's a common sense presumption. HOWEVER, if you are asserting wizards can teleport between galaxies... THEN you need proof.

[Mavorpen]

The ability to change clothes and quit smoking is assumed. That's why you barely ever see books saying, "He could change his clothes, like everyone else in the world!".

Of course not.

Because they actually say they changed their clothes.

If he could change his race, it would have to be mentioned, or he can't do it. That's because it's not assumed.

If he could change his clothes, it would have been mentioned, or he can't do it. That's because it's not assumed.