"Santa Claus should be white"

[Liberated Dixieland]

Considering that numerous gifts from "Santa Claus" are in fact given to the children by black people (AKA their parents), "Santa Claus" already is black.

[Gauthier]

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

Supply and Demand......he only needs to supply once a year.

Checkmate, Communists.

Santa distributes presents to children across the world without generating capital.

Checkmate.

[New Laikland]

Santa is from the north pole, and in the north, people have white(r) skin. So, Santa is white.

[Coccygia]

Regardless of skin color, it is obvious that Santa Claus is a communist.

Wearing red and redistributing presents to children all over the world once a year.

Checkmate, Republicans.

Obviously he's a Capitalist, he hires all those Elves to do work for him.......

Checkmate Communists.

He's a liberal Democrat, he hires the Elves because of Affirmative Action.

[Utceforp]

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?

1: Since Saint Nicholas (the person Santa Claus is based on) is white, no. Santa Claus, regardless of that, is traditionally white as well.
2: It sounds like just lobbying. I don't see how it's racist.
3: I don't see how these relate.
4: I think they should stick to their traditional representations.

Black representations of Santa Claus are inaccurate. Both "white" and Turkish depictions of Santa are accurate, since the character is a combination of elements from Odin and the Turkish Saint Nicholas.

[Cill Airne]

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
No, I don't. Saint Nicholas is the model for Father Christmas and a modern facet of him. Saint Nicholas was white, naturally Father Christmas would be as well.

2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
It's lobbying that could be considered racist in nature.

3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
No, it isn't.

4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture? I simply just don't think it matters what colour people are, and I see absolutely no reason why we need to start changing historical figures to be "black" to be "politically correct" or som such.

[Lies and Ignorance]

As for the topic, I am all for a black representation of Santa Claus. Thankfully those are already numerous and plenty of black men already dress up as Santa Claus every year. Black Santa is here, folks - regardless of how it makes racists squirm.

[Fartsniffage]

Obviously he's a Capitalist, he hires all those Elves to do work for him.......

Checkmate Communists.

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

But why do the rich kids get better presents than the poor kids?

Knight to queen-six, Communists.

[Kalmak]

Jesus would not be white, he was born in Israel, so he would have been middle eastern.

[The Dragonry]

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

Supply and Demand......he only needs to supply once a year.

Checkmate, Communists.

... NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, NOT EVEN THAT KID WHO SHITS HIS PANTS! >.< SHOO, FLY, SHOO!

Back to the issue at hand, I propose we drop this thread... because it's unintellectual, and utterly stupid. I also propose we drop this woman who filmed the YouTube video, the poster, all those in it, etcetera into dirty ice water.

[Bezombia]

Considering that numerous gifts from "Santa Claus" are in fact given to the children by black people (AKA their parents), "Santa Claus" already is black.

Santa's really all of us, and all of us are white are santa are welfare.
Rand paul 2018!

[Utceforp]

Santa is from the north pole, and in the north, people have white(r) skin. So, Santa is white.

He probably has a tan from all of the light reflected off of the snow.

[Bezombia]

Supply and Demand......he only needs to supply once a year.

Checkmate, Communists.

... NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, NOT EVEN THAT KID WHO SHITS HIS PANTS! >.< SHOO, FLY, SHOO!

Back to the issue at hand, I propose we drop this thread... because it's unintellectual, and utterly stupid. I also propose we drop this woman who filmed the YouTube video, the poster, all those in it, etcetera into dirty ice water.

You must be very, very new here...

[Gauthier]

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

But why do the rich kids get better presents than the poor kids?

Knight to queen-six, Communists.

*Knocks over chessboard and storms out*

[Edlichbury]

Why does anyone care about this issue in the slightest?

1:10 "If you are an African American child, having a white Santa it would affect you, you wouldn't feel like you were part of the tradition"
Not only is this idiotic, it hinges on the belief that people only feel welcome if there are people of their own race in a certain thing.

I fail to see how being repeatedly told by our depictions of nearly all heroes and folk tales that white is the norm and then concluding that you, as someone who is not white, are not included in this "norm" is idiotic. What is idiotic is demanding that Santa, a completely fictional arbitrary character, retain certain qualities because that's how he was traditionally even if that means excluding certain people from the norm.

[Lydenburg]

Don't get facepalmy with me, mate. You claimed you weren't sure how accurate the image you posted was. I merely sourced one that - considering its origin - puts this one to bed much better, wouldn't you agree?

I assumed you were implying there was a significant difference between the two, you did call mine 'groundless', when they look pretty similar, but no harm done buddy!

Likewise.

Wannabe scholars of Byzantine history who fritter away every millisecond of their precious vacation time swotting mosaic after mosaic in distant Turkey like the obsessed no-life nitwit they are do tend to be a mite prickly about their Palaiologan artwork sometimes.

[The Dragonry]

... NO ONE GIVES A SHIT, NOT EVEN THAT KID WHO SHITS HIS PANTS! >.< SHOO, FLY, SHOO!

Back to the issue at hand, I propose we drop this thread... because it's unintellectual, and utterly stupid. I also propose we drop this woman who filmed the YouTube video, the poster, all those in it, etcetera into dirty ice water.

You must be very, very new here...

I've been here for several years, I'm honestly just bored.

[Lies and Ignorance]

I simply just don't think it matters what colour people are

Then stop arguing that Santa Claus should be traditionally white. If it doesn't matter what color people are, there would be no traditional, "better" color - and logically you would not care what color the modern representation of Santa is.

[Liberated Dixieland]

Supply and Demand......he only needs to supply once a year.

Checkmate, Communists.

Santa distributes presents to children across the world without generating capital.

Checkmate.

Since when have the elves been paid? He's a feudalist, the elves are his serfs.

Santa is from the north pole, and in the north, people have white(r) skin. So, Santa is white.

Actually, the people living closest to the North Pole are not white.

[The Treorai]

Saint Nicholas was Greek. Most Greeks are white.

Now, the "Jesus is White" thing is rather fucking stupid, but then again most modern ideas about Jesus are rather fucking stupid.

[God Kefka]

"Santa should be what he is and what he is is white"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYlJqf4dLI

So it appears that not only is a major media news outlet claiming that a Turkish bishop is, and should be, white, but also that jesus was white, and that these two factually incorrect things are in some way related.

She also infers that black people are all liars about racial issues. Which isn't surprising.

So NSG, this may seem irrelevant, but it opens up quite a few opportunities for debate:

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?


My views, in order:

1: I think it wouldn't hurt. Honestly can't remember the last time I saw black santa, black jesus, black easter bunny, etc.
2: I don't think so, no.
3: I don't think so, and this video almost extremizes the point to the verge of laughability.
4: I think it's heavily skewed towards the white, and that this should be remedies.

So NSG, what you say?

Santa Claus is a fictional character. He is one character and part of that character's baggage is his race. He is a product of a European, white-centric interpretation/bastardization of former pagan myths. And yes he has always been white in the books, in the stories, movies etc...

Yes I think it would be a bit strange to see a black or a Turkish Santa Claus. Santa Claus has always been and should remain a white old man in red and white garb... anything else is unfaithful to the mythos of the character.

There is a limit to how much we should demand ''progressiveness'' in fiction. Certain characters do have certain racial elements to them. For instance, it would just TOTALLY be strange as well as unfaithful to the respective characters to insist on making a movie where Superman or Batman are blacks. They have always been white... The same thing goes for Santa Claus.

And why pick on Santa Claus anyways? It's not like he's EVER been a symbol of equality of the national value. He's always been a product of eurocentrism and commercialism.

I have no problems with the blacks coming up with a different character to represent Christmas who is black or the Turks doing something like that.

However, to expect everyone to just start seeing Santa Claus as a non-racial entity because it is somehow supposed to fit with the liberal attitude of the age (there is in fact no such liberal consensus)... is just unrealistic and stupid.

Santa Claus is a fictional character and he's already been written as white. If you want a different fictional character who is of a different race, do the work and go and write him up and then advertise him.

I don't want to start seeing artists being pressured everywhere to change their characters' races in all sorts of mediums just to conform to some supposed standard of political correctness. It would completely constrain and ruin art as well as water down each individual character's essential traits.

Next thing you know people would be clamoring for a remake of X-Men where there should be more racial diversity on the team or a black Peter Parker...

It's fiction ok?

And yes, Santa Claus should be white just because he has always been and he looks the coolest that way. If you want another character, go write him up and publicize him. Don't ruin santa..

[Bezombia]

I simply just don't think it matters what colour people are

Then stop arguing that Santa Claus should be traditionally white. If it doesn't matter what color people are, there would be no traditional, "better" color - and logically you would not care what color the modern representation of Santa is.

I vote for a chartreuse santa.

[Orthodox Brotherhood]

Jesus would not be white, he was born in Israel, so he would have been middle eastern.

Apparently he looked like this.

[The Fascist American Empire]

When I was a kid I visited my godparents who live in Kenya . This was the first time I remember meeting him, not only is he black he also rides a camel and seemingly fluent in Swahili. If that's not conclusive proof that he is in fact black then I don't know what is.

And in Norway his sleigh is drawn by goats and he's fluent in their tongue. The French have St. Nicolas and Pére Fuethard (Who is as black as night, if not blacker. Literally!): "Father Whip" who beats children if they're naughty. Not sure I spelled that right, but regardless. Try to look him up. You'll see my point. Every culture has it's own Santa. The Australians even say that the reindeer get tired by the time he gets down there and his sleigh is then drawn by albino kangaroos.

[Etha]

I don't think you can just change it. It Would cause a ruckus. You should just leave it as is and let culture take over. If, over the years, a Black Santa appears as or more often than a White Santa, then so be it. Hey, maybe he'll even revert back to Turkish! .