"Santa Claus should be white"

[Esperantujo 2]

Santa is translated as "Sankta Nikolao" (Saint Nicholas). Although Lycia, where St Nicholas lived, is now in Turkey, and in St Nicholas time, 1700 years ago, was part of the Roman Empire, during the 4th century that empire was already beginning to split into an Eastern empire, speaking Greek and also Aramaic, Coptic, Hebrew and Thracian, and a Western Empire, speaking Latin and also Basque, Celtic and German. St Nicholas was therefore Greek and probably white. It is possible but unlikely that he was black. That would be more likely if he came from one of the Empire's African provinces.
Jesus on the other hand was Jewish, whether or not he was the son of Joseph.

[-New Sealand-]

Is Santa a Manchu or a Mongol?

In the second picture? The outfit looks Yuan, so he's probably Mongol there.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I wasn't aware that rape was such a prevalent topic in literature.

That was a counter to the claim that Tolkien "raped" elves by apparently diverging them from their original lore. "Bitching about how almost all forms of fiction rape humans." -> "Moaning about how fiction diverges from reality." In this instance the reality is of another fiction (or mythology, whatever you want to call it), Tolkien created his own world based upon the mythologies he studied, they aren't exact representations and he and all of us know that because they weren't meant to be.

I don't know, I find Middlemarch's character to be pretty believable and 'not deviant', Tolkien, on the other hand, appropiated elves, and turn them into these effeminate ubermenschen.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Santa is translated as "Sankta Nikolao" (Saint Nicholas). Although Lycia, where St Nicholas lived, is now in Turkey, and in St Nicholas time, 1700 years ago, was part of the Roman Empire, during the 4th century that empire was already beginning to split into an Eastern empire, speaking Greek and also Aramaic, Coptic, Hebrew and Thracian, and a Western Empire, speaking Latin and also Basque, Celtic and German. St Nicholas was therefore Greek and probably white. It is possible but unlikely that he was black. That would be more likely if he came from one of the Empire's African provinces.
Jesus on the other hand was Jewish, whether or not he was the son of Joseph.

Greek =/= white.


Apuleius was considered Greek, but he was from Roman Africa, and was a Berber.

[Freelanderness]

All of them were likely based off real people except for the Easter bunny.

You take that back!

damn, that was pretty good.

[Freelanderness]

I wasn't aware that rape was such a prevalent topic in literature.

That was a counter to the claim that Tolkien "raped" elves by apparently diverging them from their original lore. "Bitching about how almost all forms of fiction rape humans." -> "Moaning about how fiction diverges from reality." In this instance the reality is of another fiction (or mythology, whatever you want to call it), Tolkien created his own world based upon the mythologies he studied, they aren't exact representations and he and all of us know that because they weren't meant to be.

I'm being deliberately obtuse because of the original usage of "rape".

Because bad writing = rape?

[Chinese Regions]

That was a counter to the claim that Tolkien "raped" elves by apparently diverging them from their original lore. "Bitching about how almost all forms of fiction rape humans." -> "Moaning about how fiction diverges from reality." In this instance the reality is of another fiction (or mythology, whatever you want to call it), Tolkien created his own world based upon the mythologies he studied, they aren't exact representations and he and all of us know that because they weren't meant to be.

I'm being deliberately obtuse because of the original usage of "rape".

Because bad writing = rape?

Are you seriously calling Tolkien a bad writer just because his version of elves diverged from from folklore?

[Kalarin]

I think santa can change his ethnicity, lets face it. Some fat old white guy isnt gonna last long in detriot. And vice versa so black guy isnt going to last long near Zimmerman. Hence he would have to change his ethnicity based on the situation.

[ALMF]

As has been repeatedly shown on this form Nicholas of Myra was to the dark end of middle eastern,

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

Myra is now the desired capital of the PKK (that is Turkish Kurdistan). Also, once you've stolen something, you cant complain if someone eles steals it from you.

[ALMF]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

http://www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

Jesus was real. You can't question the existance of Jesus. You can question His divinity, but not His existance

Wrong

[The Fraticelli Papacy]

I don't know if they realize this, but Santa Claus probably doesn't have a set race, being a Christmas spirit and everything. It is like debating the gender of God.

But on Jesus' race, he was Jewish. If he was black, someone would've said something, and he probably would've been referred to as a Nubian somewhere along the line.

[Sociobiology]

I don't know if they realize this, but Santa Claus probably doesn't have a set race, being a Christmas spirit and everything. It is like debating the gender of God.

But on Jesus' race, he was Jewish. If he was black, someone would've said something, and he probably would've been referred to as a Nubian somewhere along the line.

like saying he had skin of bronze and hair of wool?

[United Prefectures of Appia]

It's often that all fictional characters do not necessary have to be defined by specific physical attributes. Take a look at Link throughout all of the LoZ games, he's depicted as having brown hair, others showing him as having blonde hair. Then there was the Marvel comic which depicted Peter Parker as being black. Now if you're talking about a real life person to which Santa was based on, then Nikolaos of Myra which we know as St. Nicholas, definitely was brown-skinned. Infact, the Vatican funded the research to exhume his body and hired CGI computer experts to recreate his head digitally just to see what he really looked like.

Then there's Jesus, like Nikolaos of Myra, he too was brown-skinned. There's a reason why humans in some parts of the world have darker skins, while others have lighter ones. There are reasons why some are big and tall, others are small. Humans like any other living animals on this planet adapt and change to survive on environments they live in. You think Africans are black just because mother nature did it out on a whim?

[Especially Dirty Hippies]

I just had a white christmas.

In my ex.

[Alien Space Bats]

I just had a white christmas.

In my ex.

<whistle>

Abusing the Reader! 5 yard penalty!

<referee signs out the letters T-M-I>

[God Kefka]

Santa Claus has always been white in the overwhelming popular imagination so that's what's cannonical...

Saying Santa Claus is not white and could actually be BLACK is just awkward as hell. Next thing you know people will suggest that elves, pixies, and fairies could be black too (they need to be white dude).

This isn't some civil rights movement people... it's art, and white old men/fair-skinned people with attractive child-like features just look the best/most fitting for these types of characters...

[Aeken]

Santa Claus has always been white in the overwhelming popular imagination so that's what's cannonical...

Saying Santa Claus is not white and could actually be BLACK is just awkward as hell. Next thing you know people will suggest that elves, pixies, and fairies could be black too (they need to be white dude).

This isn't some civil rights movement people... it's art, and white old men/fair-skinned people with attractive child-like features just look the best/most fitting for these types of characters...

[Nervium]

Santa Claus has always been white in the overwhelming popular imagination so that's what's cannonical...

Saying Santa Claus is not white and could actually be BLACK is just awkward as hell. Next thing you know people will suggest that elves, pixies, and fairies could be black too (they need to be white dude).

This isn't some civil rights movement people... it's art, and white old men/fair-skinned people with attractive child-like features just look the best/most fitting for these types of characters...

Aber Kamerad, only Echte Arischen Menschen can have attractive features, was is so difficult to understand? Jah, this is not really racism, but White people are just better at giving presents because were so much better than everybody else.

/sarcasm

Anyway, seen alot of black santas on the interwebs lately, and lots of happy children sitting on their laps, so, basically only institutionalised racists are offended by it.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Santa Claus has always been white in the overwhelming popular imagination so that's what's cannonical...

Cannonical, is that even a word.

And, even if it were, what has Santa to do with cannons?

Saying Santa Claus is not white and could actually be BLACK is just awkward as hell. Next thing you know people will suggest that elves, pixies, and fairies could be black too (they need to be white dude).

Awkward, of course, for the Racists, because if there is one thing that makes people squemish, it is obviously black people.

This isn't some civil rights movement people... it's art, and white old men/fair-skinned people with attractive child-like features just look the best/most fitting for these types of characters...

These type of characters have to be white because...why again?

And when has Santa ever been "attractive and with child-like features"?

And, what part of art dictates that we must make Santa white, while giving us room to make, say, MacBeth Black or King Lear Japanese?

Or that Paddy Irishman, who looked like this:



Could suddenly look like this:

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Aber Kamerad, only Echte Arischen Menschen can have attractive features, was is so difficult to understand? Jah, this is not really racism, but White people are just better at giving presents because were so much better than everybody else.

/sarcasm

Anyway, seen alot of black santas on the interwebs lately, and lots of happy children sitting on their laps, so, basically only institutionalised racists are offended by it.

But...but those are only malicious parodies by the darkies, chinks, spics, wops, paddies, poles, jews, rushkies, and other minderwertige Rassen.

[God Kefka]

Santa Claus has always been white in the overwhelming popular imagination so that's what's cannonical...

Saying Santa Claus is not white and could actually be BLACK is just awkward as hell. Next thing you know people will suggest that elves, pixies, and fairies could be black too (they need to be white dude).

This isn't some civil rights movement people... it's art, and white old men/fair-skinned people with attractive child-like features just look the best/most fitting for these types of characters...

Pixies have always been white. Fairies have always been white.

Therefore... there's no special reason to doubt that Santa isn't white. He has always been...

[God Kefka]

Aber Kamerad, only Echte Arischen Menschen can have attractive features, was is so difficult to understand? Jah, this is not really racism, but White people are just better at giving presents because were so much better than everybody else.

/sarcasm

Anyway, seen alot of black santas on the interwebs lately, and lots of happy children sitting on their laps, so, basically only institutionalised racists are offended by it.

But...but those are only malicious parodies by the darkies, chinks, spics, wops, paddies, poles, jews, rushkies, and other minderwertige Rassen.

I'd call it cultural misappropriation. Trying to take a European legend, a European cultural and fictional treasure... and then co-opt it to a different cultural and ethnic context and claim it as ''universal.''

In the process completely ruining Santa Claus' physical appearance by deviating from the canon...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Pixies have always been white. Fairies have always been white.

Therefore... there's no special reason to doubt that Santa isn't white. He has always been...

Chinese have always canonically been protrayed as vicious, murdering, opium-addled rapists looking for summadat white flesh.

They always have been canonically protrayed as such.

There is no special reason to doubt that they are vicious, murdering, opium-addled rapists lusting after the purest white maiden, excepting that little thing called reality.

[God Kefka]

Pixies have always been white. Fairies have always been white.

Therefore... there's no special reason to doubt that Santa isn't white. He has always been...

Chinese have always canonically been protrayed as vicious, murdering, opium-addled rapists looking for summadat white flesh.

They always have been canonically protrayed as such.

There is no special reason to doubt that they are vicious, murdering, opium-addled rapists lusting after the purest white maiden, excepting that little thing called reality.

I am quite disgusted that you should think so. But what has this got to do with my point?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

But...but those are only malicious parodies by the darkies, chinks, spics, wops, paddies, poles, jews, rushkies, and other minderwertige Rassen.

I'd call it cultural misappropriation. Trying to take a European legend, a European cultural and fictional treasure... and then co-opt it to a different cultural and ethnic context and claim it as ''universal.''

In the process completely ruining Santa Claus' physical appearance by deviating from the canon...

Because having a chink, negro, spic, wop, paddy, pole, jew, or any one who isn't part of our great Herrenvolk would sully and taint Santa Claus' physical apperance...how?

And deviated definitely from the canon...why?

And if Canon is how Santa was protrayed 'traditionally', that is, circa 1850, shouldn't we then depict all Irish people like this:



You know, for the sake of canon?