"Santa Claus should be white"

[Grossdeutsches Kaiserreich]

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As has been repeatedly shown on this form Nicholas of Myra was to the dark end of middle eastern,

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

[The Alma Mater]

As has been repeatedly shown on this form Nicholas of Myra was to the dark end of middle eastern,

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

As has been mentioned repeatedly as well: Santa Clause is not Saint Nicholas. He is Father Christmas with a colourchange.
Americans just named him Santa Clause because they did not want two gift giving festivities so close together.

[Immoren]

Santa is white. Santa is based off of Saint Nicholas, a white guy. He was taken by the Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians into folklore where he eventually transformed into the Santa we know today. Santa originated from europe, based off of a white guy. It doesn't surprise me that Santa is white since he is a product of European folklore. I'm kind of curiouswhy blacks and other non europeans are so interested in celebrating European traditions. You won't see me celebrating black holidays or wearing a dashiki. Not that i have anything against that, it just seems odd that they seem to want to co-opt our traditions , beliefs and folklore whilst Europeans don't adopt theirs.

Jesus on the other hand is controversial, but i think whether or not these people are white or not is irrelevant.

I mean, look at us. We're arguing about the race of these historical figures and ignoring the spirit of what they stand for; generosity, kindness, etc.

When i was a kid and i thought Santa Claus was going to come down the chimney and give me presents; i didn't care if he was a big fat black guy with green cornrows and purple eyes with red pupils, or a white dude with blue eyes and blonde hair. As an adult, all i care about on Christmas is being with my family and spreading the spirit of christmas around. I could care less what hue of skin Santa possesses.

white?

[Brimstonia]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

[Alien Space Bats]

It doesn't surprise me that Santa is white since he is a product of European folklore. I'm kind of curiouswhy blacks and other non europeans are so interested in celebrating European traditions. You won't see me celebrating black holidays or wearing a dashiki. Not that i have anything against that, it just seems odd that they seem to want to co-opt our traditions , beliefs and folklore whilst Europeans don't adopt theirs.

REALLY?!? You have NO idea why minority families living in America would want to celebrate Christmas?

REALLY?!?!?

[Chinese Regions]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

http://www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

Pocahontas was real. -_-

[Chinese Regions]

I'm waiting for a Tolkien or Warcrack fanboy to bitch about how "those midgets aren't proper elves".

Can I bitch about how Tolkien raped elves as well ? It is almost as bad as the treatment of vampires by Twilight.

Let's bitch how almost every form of fiction rapes humans.

[Freelanderness]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

http://www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

Pocahontas was real. -_-

All of them were likely based off real people except for the Easter bunny.

[Sociobiology]

Pocahontas was real. -_-

All of them were likely based off real people except for the Easter bunny.

Odin was not a real person.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

As has been repeatedly shown on this form Nicholas of Myra was to the dark end of middle eastern,

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

A great folly, because Santa Claus is fictional, and therefore, has no race.

[Freelanderness]

All of them were likely based off real people except for the Easter bunny.

Odin was not a real person.

Odin? That wasn't listed. I didn't click on the link though...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I'm waiting for a Tolkien or Warcrack fanboy to bitch about how "those midgets aren't proper elves".

Can I bitch about how Tolkien raped elves as well ? It is almost as bad as the treatment of vampires by Twilight.

I never understood what Elves were in the first place, but that they were magical blacksmithy creatures who made many fine things for the Gods, such as the chains of Fanfir...or was that the drawfs?

[Immoren]

Odin was not a real person.

Odin? That wasn't listed. I didn't click on the link though...

Wotan was one of modern Santa's predecessors/influences.

Elves were in the first place, but that they were magical blacksmithy creatures who made many fine things for the Gods, such as the chains of Fanfir...or was that the drawfs?

Elves and dwarfs for ancient Norse were pretty much same creatures.

[Australian rePublic]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

http://www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

Jesus was real. You can't question the existance of Jesus. You can question His divinity, but not His existance

[Immoren]

Who cares what colour a bunch of fictional characters are? Lets make em all blue, with a green stripe down the middle. Blue santa, blue jesus, blue easter bunny, blue pocahontas

http://www.heavylittlepeople.tumblr.com

Jesus was real. You can't question the existance of Jesus. You can question His divinity, but not His existance

Which of those Joshuas was right one?

[Freelanderness]

Can I bitch about how Tolkien raped elves as well ? It is almost as bad as the treatment of vampires by Twilight.

Let's bitch how almost every form of fiction rapes humans.

I wasn't aware that rape was such a prevalent topic in literature.

[Cannot think of a name]

Pocahontas was real. -_-

All of them were likely based off real people except for the Easter bunny.

You take that back!

[Safi]

My view is that in countries that are dominantly black, e.g. African countries should have their own black representation of Santa. So that they don' t feel left out.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Let's bitch how almost every form of fiction rapes humans.

I wasn't aware that rape was such a prevalent topic in literature.

Tess of the D'Uberville, Clarissa, Justine, there are plenty of rape, if you know where to look,

[Seangoli]

As has been repeatedly shown on this form Nicholas of Myra was to the dark end of middle eastern,

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

Saint Nicholas was born in Patara, which was a Greek town in what is modern day southern Turkey. It was a greek controlled area at the time, but is not what is commonly considered "Greece", or "Southern Europe". A more common term for the area is "Asia Minor". Although Turkey is occassionally considered a part of Europe in some manor, it is really more a cross-roads between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East more than anything and doesn't exactly fit well into any of them. That said, it is as close to "Southern Europe" as it is to "Southwestern Asia" or "Northern Middle East". More or less, anyway. Point is, to say he was from "Greece" is to be categorically misleading. He was not from what most people conceive to be Greece either modern or ancient. He was from an area controlled by Greece at the time, certainly, but to say he was Greek really is misleading.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

I was under the impression St. Nicholas was from southern Europe, Greece.

If i was wrong, the main point remains i think.

That he was co-opted by Europeans in the Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia. They made the character we know today as Santa, and as he was created, he was a white dude. Still shows the folly of man in arguing over what race Santa is.

Saint Nicholas was born in Patara, which was a Greek town in what is modern day southern Turkey. It was a greek controlled area at the time, but is not what is commonly considered "Greece", or "Southern Europe". A more common term for the area is "Asia Minor". Although Turkey is occassionally considered a part of Europe in some manor, it is really more a cross-roads between Europe, Asia, and the Middle East more than anything and doesn't exactly fit well into any of them. That said, it is as close to "Southern Europe" as it is to "Southwestern Asia" or "Northern Middle East". More or less, anyway. Point is, to say he was from "Greece" is to be categorically misleading. He was not from what most people conceive to be Greece either modern or ancient. He was from an area controlled by Greece at the time, certainly, but to say he was Greek really is misleading.

Greece as a political entity did not exist, and was part of the Roman Empire, he was Greek, only in the sense that he was part of the Cultural Hellenosphere.

[Chinese Regions]

Let's bitch how almost every form of fiction rapes humans.

I wasn't aware that rape was such a prevalent topic in literature.

That was a counter to the claim that Tolkien "raped" elves by apparently diverging them from their original lore. "Bitching about how almost all forms of fiction rape humans." -> "Moaning about how fiction diverges from reality." In this instance the reality is of another fiction (or mythology, whatever you want to call it), Tolkien created his own world based upon the mythologies he studied, they aren't exact representations and he and all of us know that because they weren't meant to be.

[Shaggai]

I'm waiting for a Tolkien or Warcrack fanboy to bitch about how "those midgets aren't proper elves".

Can I bitch about how Tolkien raped elves as well ? It is almost as bad as the treatment of vampires by Twilight.

How do you mean? By making them good?

[-New Sealand-]

We are way ahead of you. He may still have been kept white, but White Santa has been assimilated in the name of the glorious people's republic.

That being said, people should have the freedom in choosing how they wish for a jolly fat promoter of consumerism to be represented. He may be black, Asian, Arab, White, Latino or whatever you please. So long as you believe in him, I do not think it matters.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

We are way ahead of you. He may still have been kept white, but White Santa has been assimilated in the name of the glorious people's republic.

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That being said, people should have the freedom in choosing how they wish for a jolly fat promoter of consumerism to be represented. He may be black, Asian, Arab, White, Latino or whatever you please. So long as you believe in him, I do not think it matters.

Is Santa a Manchu or a Mongol?