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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:17 am

Luveria wrote:
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Well, it still burns the back of your throat...how can anyone stand it?


Because it has high amounts of cocaine caffeine in it.


Cocaine laced Coffee doesn't burn your throat.

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Postby Indecisive Fools » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:21 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Indecisive Fools wrote:If it doesn't matter, only racists will feel the need to change his race.


Only a racist will insist on a canonical race for any fictious character, which only that particular race can rightfully protray.

Nevermind there has been all black production of MacBeth.

Or that Kurosawa made an entirely Japanese adaptation of King Lear.

They are all cultural misappropiations, which destroys and ruins Shakespeare.

So basically we've arrived at the conclusion that everybody's racist, because there is no way to avoid being racist. If you care about a person/character's race, you're racist. If you don't, you're still racist, because you're allowing everyone else to be racist. How enlightening this conversation has been.

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Postby Constitutional Commonwealth » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:40 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Only a racist will insist on a canonical race for any fictious character, which only that particular race can rightfully protray.

Nevermind there has been all black production of MacBeth.

Or that Kurosawa made an entirely Japanese adaptation of King Lear.

They are all cultural misappropiations, which destroys and ruins Shakespeare.

So basically we've arrived at the conclusion that everybody's racist, because there is no way to avoid being racist. If you care about a person/character's race, you're racist. If you don't, you're still racist, because you're allowing everyone else to be racist. How enlightening this conversation has been.

How about everyone just stops giving a fuck about race in any fucking issue, mkay?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:44 am

Compromise and make him Native American.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:37 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:Compromise and make him Native American.

I believe the suggestion was a penguin.
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Postby Chalvostan » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:44 am

Please, allow me to speak....

Let it be said that this topic has no meaning beyond melanin amount. This topic has no point.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:46 am

Chalvostan wrote:Please, allow me to speak....

Let it be said that this topic has no meaning beyond melanin amount. This topic has no point.


I am waiting for UN advisor Sheperd to step in, call Santa racist, and demand that the evil whites pay up. Followed by the question why one would need christmas anyway, since we already have Kwanzaa.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:49 am

Ok, irrespective of the fact that St. Nicholas was white (which lets face it; he was), I think it's somewhat hypocritical of the author of the slate article to demand we make Santa black so as to represent everyone.

If she really feels so alienated by a white santa then why shouldn't Megyn Kelly feel equally alienated by a black one? The entire article is blatant race bait which Fox, unsurprisingly, gulped up like a hungry hippo.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:52 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Ok, irrespective of the fact that St. Nicholas was white (which lets face it; he was)


Well tanned, probably. Though most of Santas look in the USA was based on father christmas, not on the slender Saint.
Of course, in other countries he already looks different. As pointed out in this very topic, with pictures.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:55 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Hladgos wrote:I don't care what color an imaginary person is. I'm just sad I haven't seen asian santa.


Image

Asian Santa Chick.

I think this is my favorite Santa so far.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:56 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Ok, irrespective of the fact that St. Nicholas was white (which lets face it; he was)


Well tanned, probably. Though most of Santas look in the USA was based on father christmas, not on the slender Saint.
Of course, in other countries he already looks different. As pointed out in this very topic, with pictures.


Tanned white is still white, but yea I agree he probably didn't look like some rosy cheeked scandinavian.
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Postby ALMF » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:01 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Ok, irrespective of the fact that St. Nicholas was white (which lets face it; he was), I think it's somewhat hypocritical of the author of the slate article to demand we make Santa black so as to represent everyone.
If you call this wite (center) ImageI call it turkoman/namibian.
If she really feels so alienated by a white santa then why shouldn't Megyn Kelly feel equally alienated by a black one? The entire article is blatant race bait which Fox, unsurprisingly, gulped up like a hungry hippo.

One is objecting to wite only and the other is objecting to a (singular) black santa: see the difference.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:31 am

ALMF wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Ok, irrespective of the fact that St. Nicholas was white (which lets face it; he was), I think it's somewhat hypocritical of the author of the slate article to demand we make Santa black so as to represent everyone.
If you call this wite (center) ImageI call it turkoman/namibian.
If she really feels so alienated by a white santa then why shouldn't Megyn Kelly feel equally alienated by a black one? The entire article is blatant race bait which Fox, unsurprisingly, gulped up like a hungry hippo.

One is objecting to wite only and the other is objecting to a (singular) black santa: see the difference.


What is wite? If you mean WHITE then yes even that photo looks white (tho tanned). Not that it means anything, everyone knows most forensic reconstructions are BS anyway. I remember when the CIA tried to 'reconstruct' Bin Laden to account for age and it wound up seriously pissing off some Spanish politician who looked identical. Then when they actually got him, he didn't look anything like that in any case.

And there is no difference. They are both objecting to Santa being a certain color because they are threatened by people who look different. Not exactly a helpful conversation in terms of healthy racial relations.
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Postby Constitutional Commonwealth » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:40 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Compromise and make him Native American.

I believe the suggestion was a penguin.

Let's make him an anthropomorphic polar bear so that it would make all the white supremacists and obsessive anti-racists shut the fuck up and end this pointless debating about the skin color of an imaginary being.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:43 am

Constitutional Commonwealth wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:I believe the suggestion was a penguin.

Let's make him an anthropomorphic polar bear so that it would make all the white supremacists and obsessive anti-racists shut the fuck up and end this pointless debating about the skin color of an imaginary being.


This so much. Coca cola already has a polar bear so why not next holiday season?
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Postby Constitutional Commonwealth » Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:58 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Constitutional Commonwealth wrote:Let's make him an anthropomorphic polar bear so that it would make all the white supremacists and obsessive anti-racists shut the fuck up and end this pointless debating about the skin color of an imaginary being.


This so much. Coca cola already has a polar bear so why not next holiday season?

It would be speciesist towards polar bears though. Meh, I'm sure they wouldn't complain about it too much. Besides, Americans say Santa lives in the North Pole, so why the fuck not? At least it would be geographically correct.
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Postby Sociobiology » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:28 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Well tanned, probably. Though most of Santas look in the USA was based on father christmas, not on the slender Saint.
Of course, in other countries he already looks different. As pointed out in this very topic, with pictures.


Tanned white is still white, but yea I agree he probably didn't look like some rosy cheeked scandinavian.

you do realize that the darkest Caucasian skin tone is darker than the lightest African skin tone right?
Colin Powell is paler than the a tan Caucasian.

Of course I remember a time when Lebanese and Jewish people were not considered white. So its not like the race is actually based on anything real.
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Postby Union of Confederate Socialist Republics » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:30 am

Santa Claus is a Turk, for fuck's sake.

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Postby Sociobiology » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:38 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Luveria wrote:
If so, only the Turks can portray Santa.



Anatolians...Turks did not invade Asia Minor until several centuries after St. Nick died.

who were also not considered white, white was a very restrictive term.
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Postby Constitutional Commonwealth » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:59 am

Union of Confederate Socialist Republics wrote:Santa Claus is a Turk, for fuck's sake.

One of these, you say?
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:09 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Only a racist will insist on a canonical race for any fictious character, which only that particular race can rightfully protray.

Nevermind there has been all black production of MacBeth.

Or that Kurosawa made an entirely Japanese adaptation of King Lear.

They are all cultural misappropiations, which destroys and ruins Shakespeare.

So basically we've arrived at the conclusion that everybody's racist, because there is no way to avoid being racist. If you care about a person/character's race, you're racist. If you don't, you're still racist, because you're allowing everyone else to be racist. How enlightening this conversation has been.



Santa can be protrayed whatever race people want...it is insisting that the only "real", "canonical", and "true" Santa is white that is racist.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:09 am

Sociobiology wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:

Anatolians...Turks did not invade Asia Minor until several centuries after St. Nick died.

who were also not considered white, white was a very restrictive term.



Which is exactly the point.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:12 am

Constitutional Commonwealth wrote:
Union of Confederate Socialist Republics wrote:Santa Claus is a Turk, for fuck's sake.

One of these, you say?
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If Tseng didn't look like this, he isn't canon.

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Postby United British Union » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:14 am

Dear God! Why does it matter?

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Postby Bolrieg » Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:16 am

just have a purple Santa so it can appease those who have painted themselves in that colour

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