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Postby ALMF » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:52 am

God Kefka wrote:
ALMF wrote:They (coca-cola) made him wite not kept him wite.


he was white before that... look at all the artworks of him from the Industrial Revolution... you see clearly caucasian features...

Caucasian facial features were ubicudus in renascence art evin of Zulu and other African tribes. It is counter to this the industrial revolution and became caricatured. By the characteristics of the time he was depicted as between middle-eastern and east-African.
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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:52 am

God Kefka wrote:
Luveria wrote:
"Cocaine" Coca-Cola is not a good example. :p


I like Coca-Cola... I drink it almost every day...


My only wish is it contained cocaine in it, because it's good stuff...

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Postby Indecisive Fools » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:53 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.


And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:54 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.


How about we all holds hands together and say skin colour doesn't matter a fuck at all, but personal achievements do?

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:54 am

God Kefka wrote:
Luveria wrote:
"Cocaine" Coca-Cola is not a good example. :p


I like Coca-Cola... I drink it almost every day...


A new reason why never to drink Coca Cola, in addition to burning your throat, it also burns your braincells, making you think that Santa can only be pure White, a member of the Aryan master-race, with no other reason than...but he's white.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:55 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.



Why can't his race be changed? It seems to me that people who want to keep him white are doing so because that is another thing to deny to minorities, in other words, Racism.

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Postby Indecisive Fools » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:57 am

Luveria wrote:
Indecisive Fools wrote:Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.


How about we all holds hands together and say skin colour doesn't matter a fuck at all, but personal achievements do?

That's basically what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that he's white because he has to be white, or I want him to be white. I'm saying we shouldn't change his race because his race shouldn't matter.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:59 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Luveria wrote:
How about we all holds hands together and say skin colour doesn't matter a fuck at all, but personal achievements do?

That's basically what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that he's white because he has to be white, or I want him to be white. I'm saying we shouldn't change his race because his race shouldn't matter.



If it doesn't matter, then there should be no objections to letting people change his race at will, because he doesn't exist and is fictional.

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Postby Indecisive Fools » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:03 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Indecisive Fools wrote:Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.



Why can't his race be changed? It seems to me that people who want to keep him white are doing so because that is another thing to deny to minorities, in other words, Racism.

1. You completely avoided my question.
2. To answer your question, only Michael Jackson is allowed to change race :p. Seriously though, his race shouldn't matter to any non-racist, so why go through the bother of trying to change it?
3. All this time you've been dismissing Santa as a fictional character, but now suddenly, you're turning it into something important that whites are denying the minorities? I don't follow your logic.

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Postby Indecisive Fools » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:04 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Indecisive Fools wrote:That's basically what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that he's white because he has to be white, or I want him to be white. I'm saying we shouldn't change his race because his race shouldn't matter.



If it doesn't matter, then there should be no objections to letting people change his race at will, because he doesn't exist and is fictional.

If it doesn't matter, only racists will feel the need to change his race.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:07 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:

Why can't his race be changed? It seems to me that people who want to keep him white are doing so because that is another thing to deny to minorities, in other words, Racism.

1. You completely avoided my question.


I already did in another post.

2. To answer your question, only Michael Jackson is allowed to change race :p. Seriously though, his race shouldn't matter to any non-racist, so why go through the bother of trying to change it?


Because 1. he is a fictional character that represent the spirit of Christmas, and therefore has no race inherently attached to him to begin with. 2. Because the connotation that only a white man can legitimately represent the spirit of generosity and giving in the Christmas season.

3. All this time you've been dismissing Santa as a fictional character, but now suddenly, you're turning it into something important that whites are denying the minorities? I don't follow your logic.


Because the connation is important when dealing with what he represent, while the argument from tradition to protect this representation of the spirit of holiday generosity as white, with all the connation that flows from it, is based primarily on fictious traditions.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:07 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Luveria wrote:
How about we all holds hands together and say skin colour doesn't matter a fuck at all, but personal achievements do?

That's basically what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that he's white because he has to be white, or I want him to be white. I'm saying we shouldn't change his race because his race shouldn't matter.


As I say it doesn't matter if he's male or female (which is comparable to OMG YOU SAY SANTA IS WHITE INSTEAD OF BLACK). Lets just do whatever works and enjoy the holiday.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:09 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:

If it doesn't matter, then there should be no objections to letting people change his race at will, because he doesn't exist and is fictional.

If it doesn't matter, only racists will feel the need to change his race.


Only a racist will insist on a canonical race for any fictious character, which only that particular race can rightfully protray.

Nevermind there has been all black production of MacBeth.

Or that Kurosawa made an entirely Japanese adaptation of King Lear.

They are all cultural misappropiations, which destroys and ruins Shakespeare.

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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:09 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.


We're not saying he can't be white, we're saying he can be displayed in whatever race.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Tekania » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:10 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
I like Coca-Cola... I drink it almost every day...


A new reason why never to drink Coca Cola, in addition to burning your throat, it also burns your braincells, making you think that Santa can only be pure White, a member of the Aryan master-race, with no other reason than...but he's white.


I drink coca-cola.... if there was a loss of braincells there it was not due to coke consumption..... at least not the kind of coke you would drink.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:10 am

Tekania wrote:
Indecisive Fools wrote:Let me ask this, why does the race need to be changed? It seems to me that people don't want him to be white just so that they can appease the minority races. Putting the wants of certain races over others. In other words, racism.


We're not saying he can't be white, we're saying he can be displayed in whatever race.


I have mentioned in the thread, I am not aware of any rule saying that Santa has to be of X race.

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Postby ALMF » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:11 am

Indecisive Fools wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:

If it doesn't matter, then there should be no objections to letting people change his race at will, because he doesn't exist and is fictional.

If it doesn't matter, only racists will feel the need to change his race.

Just like only a raciest wold object to an all wite 500 person watestaf in west Oakland? :eyebrow:
Evan in a Monacan restaurant with a resent history of overwhelming black staff? :eyebrow:
One cant find that suspicious? :eyebrow:
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:14 am

Luveria wrote:
Tekania wrote:
We're not saying he can't be white, we're saying he can be displayed in whatever race.


I have mentioned in the thread, I am not aware of any rule saying that Santa has to be of X race.


Except God Kefka, who insist that the only canonical protrayal of Santa is his being white.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:14 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Luveria wrote:
I have mentioned in the thread, I am not aware of any rule saying that Santa has to be of X race.


Except God Kefka, who insist that the only canonical protrayal of Santa is his being white.


If so, only the Turks can portray Santa.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:14 am

Tekania wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
A new reason why never to drink Coca Cola, in addition to burning your throat, it also burns your braincells, making you think that Santa can only be pure White, a member of the Aryan master-race, with no other reason than...but he's white.


I drink coca-cola.... if there was a loss of braincells there it was not due to coke consumption..... at least not the kind of coke you would drink.



Well, it still burns the back of your throat...how can anyone stand it?

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Postby Luveria » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:15 am

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Tekania wrote:
I drink coca-cola.... if there was a loss of braincells there it was not due to coke consumption..... at least not the kind of coke you would drink.



Well, it still burns the back of your throat...how can anyone stand it?


Because it has high amounts of cocaine caffeine in it.

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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:15 am

Luveria wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
Except God Kefka, who insist that the only canonical protrayal of Santa is his being white.


If so, only the Turks can portray Santa.



Anatolians...Turks did not invade Asia Minor until several centuries after St. Nick died.

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Postby The Cutest Bunnies » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:16 am

Both Santa and Jesus should be correctly displayed as bunnies of mixed coloured fur! The Easter Bunny can be a fat white man, if you want...
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Postby Constitutional Commonwealth » Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:17 am

Luveria wrote:
Constitutional Commonwealth wrote:Santa is so unoriginal, being an amalgamation of many characters. Father Christmas all the way.


That's like so totally generic.

It also implies Fennocandic supremacy. Damn those vikings!
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