"Santa Claus should be white"

[Luveria]

He is an extremely controversial, racist, sexist and ageist nonexistent being.

He is a symbol of the Christmas holiday in Western Culture, which means that he represent the spirit of "giving", "generousity", and all the other things that have been baggaged onto the Christmas season.

Which is precisely why the idea that only a white person can protray the spirit of the season is extremely racist, with the connotation, as some people already pointed out sarcastically, that "black people can't possibly give...take, yes, but give?".

Get in line.

I just realized how sexist Santa is because only men are allowed to be Santa. This is an outrage.

Yeah, when women are allowed to be Santa too, then you can start complaining about the racism part, despite Santa being a Middle Eastern elderly overweight man.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

If there even is a maker of the character of Santa Claus, he's dead for more than a century, making Santa public domain and your pseudo-copyrights obsolete.

cultural misappropriation is to be discouraged at any and all cost...

Any and all who use the title or appearance of Santa Claus for anything... should pay deference to the European roots. And that means that the issue of race... ought not be altered.

Santa has always been white...

Except, when Saint Nicholas, one of the models of Santa Claus was alive, he was too busy being Anatolian to be white.

[God Kefka]

Maybe we should just make there be 196 different Santas. One for each country in the world. It's extremely racist, but then again, it's not any more racist than some attempts to "stop racism." Just saying.

this is exactly the sort of excessive political correctness/multiculturalism notion that will to the destruction, derogation, and corruption of distinct cultural and artistic images.

Santa Claus' European roots must not be severed...

[Indecisive Fools]

Maybe we should just make there be 196 different Santas. One for each country in the world. It's extremely racist, but then again, it's not any more racist than some attempts to "stop racism." Just saying.

We should simply keep Santa white.

Any particular cultural group who hates this can come up with a new character if they want...

corrupting Santa and his European legacy and distinct artistic image should not be encouraged.

That was actually kind of my point in a convoluted way. If people look at Santa differently because he is one race, rather than another, is that not racism?

[God Kefka]

cultural misappropriation is to be discouraged at any and all cost...

Any and all who use the title or appearance of Santa Claus for anything... should pay deference to the European roots. And that means that the issue of race... ought not be altered.

Santa has always been white...

Except, when Saint Nicholas, one of the models of Santa Claus was alive, he was too busy being Anatolian to be white.

ONE of the models... all of the other models are decidedly white.

And what matters is that it is certainly the case that when people throughout Western Europe were imagining him, he has always been white. This is where the legend started... not during the life of St Nick himself.

[Indecisive Fools]

Maybe we should just make there be 196 different Santas. One for each country in the world. It's extremely racist, but then again, it's not any more racist than some attempts to "stop racism." Just saying.

this is exactly the sort of excessive political correctness/multiculturalism notion that will to the destruction, derogation, and corruption of distinct cultural and artistic images.

Santa Claus' European roots must not be severed...

I suppose the sarcasm in my post did not convey itself across the internet. Curses. But I assure you, that was meant to be sarcastic.

[ALMF]

If there even is a maker of the character of Santa Claus, he's dead for more than a century, making Santa public domain and your pseudo-copyrights obsolete.

cultural misappropriation is to be discouraged at any and all cost...

Any and all who use the title or appearance of Santa Claus for anything... should pay deference to the European roots. And that means that the issue of race... ought not be altered.

Santa has always been white...

So your objecting to modern appropriation but have no problem with the 1950 appropriation that created the wite man in a red soute is fine. Or is it appropriation of middle eastern icons is ok but not wite icons?

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

Maybe we should just make there be 196 different Santas. One for each country in the world. It's extremely racist, but then again, it's not any more racist than some attempts to "stop racism." Just saying.

We should simply keep Santa white.

Any particular cultural group who hates this can come up with a new character if they want...

corrupting Santa and his European legacy and distinct artistic image should not be encouraged.

USA should pass the Santa Clause to prohibit the portrayal of any other than a white Santa, am I right?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Maybe we should just make there be 196 different Santas. One for each country in the world. It's extremely racist, but then again, it's not any more racist than some attempts to "stop racism." Just saying.

this is exactly the sort of excessive political correctness/multiculturalism notion that will to the destruction, derogation, and corruption of distinct cultural and artistic images.

Santa Claus' European roots must not be severed...

No less than the Mother of God can be appropiated within an Asian Context, but God forbids we change the sacred Race of Santa.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Except, when Saint Nicholas, one of the models of Santa Claus was alive, he was too busy being Anatolian to be white.

ONE of the models... all of the other models are decidedly white.

And what matters is that it is certainly the case that when people throughout Western Europe were imagining him, he has always been white. This is where the legend started... not during the life of St Nick himself.

Which ones?

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

Except, when Saint Nicholas, one of the models of Santa Claus was alive, he was too busy being Anatolian to be white.

ONE of the models... all of the other models are decidedly white.

And what matters is that it is certainly the case that when people throughout Western Europe were imagining him, he has always been white. This is where the legend started... not during the life of St Nick himself.

Santa is so unoriginal, being an amalgamation of many characters. Father Christmas all the way.

[Luveria]

ONE of the models... all of the other models are decidedly white.

And what matters is that it is certainly the case that when people throughout Western Europe were imagining him, he has always been white. This is where the legend started... not during the life of St Nick himself.

Santa is so unoriginal, being an amalgamation of many characters. Father Christmas all the way.

That's like so totally generic.

[Indecisive Fools]

this is exactly the sort of excessive political correctness/multiculturalism notion that will to the destruction, derogation, and corruption of distinct cultural and artistic images.

Santa Claus' European roots must not be severed...

No less than the Mother of God can be appropiated within an Asian Context, but God forbids we change the sacred Race of Santa.

I can't change my race. You can't change your race. Why should we try to change the race of a figure that has been portrayed the same way for decades? Besides, the idea of changing his race stems from racist thinking does it not? If other races can't accept the jolly old white man, and they have to change it to the race they prefer, that is racism, at least in my view.

[God Kefka]

No less than the Mother of God can be appropiated within an Asian Context, but God forbids we change the sacred Race of Santa.

I can't change my race. You can't change your race. Why should we try to change the race of a figure that has been portrayed the same way for decades? Besides, the idea of changing his race stems from racist thinking does it not? If other races can't accept the jolly old white man, and they have to change it to the race they prefer, that is racism, at least in my view.

that's exactly right... that's exactly right...

[God Kefka]

cultural misappropriation is to be discouraged at any and all cost...

Any and all who use the title or appearance of Santa Claus for anything... should pay deference to the European roots. And that means that the issue of race... ought not be altered.

Santa has always been white...

So your objecting to modern appropriation but have no problem with the 1950 appropriation that created the wite man in a red soute is fine. Or is it appropriation of middle eastern icons is ok but not wite icons?

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

[Tekania]

cultural misappropriation is to be discouraged at any and all cost...

Santa Claus as you know him is a cultural misappropriation. That you're pissed someone else is messing with the mythological character you stole and bastardized says a lot about your character.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

No less than the Mother of God can be appropiated within an Asian Context, but God forbids we change the sacred Race of Santa.

I can't change my race. You can't change your race. Why should we try to change the race of a figure that has been portrayed the same way for decades? Besides, the idea of changing his race stems from racist thinking does it not? If other races can't accept the jolly old white man, and they have to change it to the race they prefer, that is racism, at least in my view.

Because Santa is a fictional character representing the 'spirit' of Christmas, and, understandly, some people are concerned that the only person who can represent the "spirit" of the Holiday Season, that is the spirit of generosity and giving, can only be white.

It is hardly racist to change the race of Santa, and we can change it at will because...get this...Santa is a fictional character, as such, people can change it however they like.

The Hulk, for example, was originally grey. Now he's green. Didn't anyone give a shit, rioting over how he is 'traditionally and canonically grey'?

Beside, why should one character's be allowed to change to conform to that society, such as the Maria Kannon above, without the slightest protest while another character stay the same because a bunch of racist insist upon his being white?

[ALMF]

So your objecting to modern appropriation but have no problem with the 1950 appropriation that created the wite man in a red soute is fine. Or is it appropriation of middle eastern icons is ok but not wite icons?

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

They (coca-cola) made him wite not kept him wite.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

So your objecting to modern appropriation but have no problem with the 1950 appropriation that created the wite man in a red soute is fine. Or is it appropriation of middle eastern icons is ok but not wite icons?

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

[God Kefka]

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

They (coca-cola) made him wite not kept him wite.

he was white before that... look at all the artworks of him from the Industrial Revolution... you see clearly caucasian features...

[Luveria]

So your objecting to modern appropriation but have no problem with the 1950 appropriation that created the wite man in a red soute is fine. Or is it appropriation of middle eastern icons is ok but not wite icons?

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

"Cocaine" Coca-Cola is not a good example.

[God Kefka]

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

it's just a unreasonable as taking a figure from say... Japanese mythology and insisting that this figure isn't Asian but ''multicultural.'' To deny his Japanese roots and water down/corrupt his image out of some misguided notion of liberalism...

Denying Santa Claus' whiteness is denying Santa Claus' European heritage... and that does a disservice to one of history's greatest fictional characters.

Just imagine if they made a new Harry Potter film and for absolutely no reason decided to just make one character, say Ron Weasley, Asian just for the hell of it? Wouldn't this offend people who appreciate the sacred details of the HP canon?

There you go...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

They (coca-cola) made him wite not kept him wite.

he was white before that... look at all the artworks of him from the Industrial Revolution... you see clearly caucasian features...

In the industrial revolution, it was okay to send kids down the coal mine.

[God Kefka]

the 1950s did not alter it in an unreasonable way.

Santa can change his clothes if he wants... and they kept him white.

"Cocaine" Coca-Cola is not a good example.

I like Coca-Cola... I drink it almost every day...

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

And changing the race is somehow unreasonable?

Pray, what makes it so unreasonable that you are willing to sound like a Klansman for the last...I don't know how many pages, for the sake of defending this point?

it's just a unreasonable as taking a figure from say... Japanese mythology and insisting that this figure isn't Asian but ''multicultural.'' To deny his Japanese roots and water down/corrupt his image out of some misguided notion of liberalism...

And what do we have here...

Denying Santa Claus' whiteness is denying Santa Claus' European heritage... and that does a disservice to one of history's greatest fictional characters.

Or, alternatively, hastening his demise because he is no longer relevant within our, whether you like it or not, multicultural society.

Just imagine if they made a new Harry Potter film and for absolutely no reason decided to just make one character, say Ron Weasley, Asian just for the hell of it? Wouldn't this offend people who appreciate the sacred details of the HP canon?

There you go...

Dumbeldore was made Gay apropos nothing to the disinterest of the entire Harry Potter fanbase, but, suddenly, turning Ron into a Chink will have them all out for blood.