"Santa Claus should be white"

[God Kefka]

thats becouse santa is from la ponia and it is a nordic country

Santa isn't from anywhere.

He doesn't exist.

he's European...

[Gauthier]

exactly... that's exactly right...

Santa has always been white...

Now, that's not what I said. And I've already explained to you why your whining is ridiculous.

All I said was Santa has multiple origins, some white, some not. Let's not only point at the non-white ones, as if that matters.


The problem with your stance God Kefka, is that you want to put Santa on some untouchable pedestal, where no mythlogical figure, not even God, has even been before. Seriously, think about that. It's okay to make a black Yahweh, but not a black Santa? That's just silly. It's ridiculous.

White Santa is about White Power.

[Mavorpen]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

You might want to actually go there, then.

Because it's almost sad how wrong you are.

[Mavorpen]

Santa isn't from anywhere.

He doesn't exist.

but the legend tells he comes from la ponia and laponia is a nordic country , anyways in all his representations he is white

No it doesn't.

[Seattile]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

You might want to actually go there, then.

Because it's almost sad how wrong you are.

Well I said that mostly because I was bored, or did you not read that part?

[Tekania]

Santa isn't from anywhere.

He doesn't exist.

he's European...

More like Asgardian.

[Gauthier]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

[Seattile]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

So movies about super heroes have more weight than old folklore?

[Mavorpen]

You might want to actually go there, then.

Because it's almost sad how wrong you are.

Well said I that mostly because I was bored, or did you not read that part?

I'm confused.

Is "I'm bored" supposed to excuse you from being painfully wrong?

[Seattile]

Well said I that mostly because I was bored, or did you not read that part?

I'm confused.

Is "I'm bored" supposed to excuse you from being painfully wrong?

Call it trolling from someone who has never trolled before.

[Aurora Novus]

I don't want to put him on such a pedestal... I''m just pointing out that he's ALREADY on such a pedestal through hundreds of years of canon.

No Kefka, no mythological character is on such a pedestal. Unless you're prepaired to kill, you can't say that a character is on such a pedestal. They're imaginary beings, which people use and alter all the time. Do I even need to point to all the other mythological beings who've been completely altered from the source material? Let alone the fact that Santa has been changed a lot in his incarnations. Jolly, cranky. Fat, not fat. Old, young. Beard, no beard. Immortal, having a lineage. Skin colour is just one other aspect of the character, and one that people already change.

Your complaint has literally no weight to it. Santa is not sacred. Santa is not special.

[Gauthier]

So movies about super heroes have more weight than old folklore?

No sense of humor will not get you far in NSG.

[Seattile]

So movies about super heroes have more weight than old folklore?

No sense of humor will not get you far in NSG.

I only use my sense of humor on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday.

[God Kefka]

I don't want to put him on such a pedestal... I''m just pointing out that he's ALREADY on such a pedestal through hundreds of years of canon.

No Kefka, no mythological character is on such a pedestal. Unless you're prepaired to kill, you can't say that a character is on such a pedestal. They're imaginary beings, which people use and alter all the time. Do I even need to point to all the other mythological beings who've been completely altered from the source material? Let alone the fact that Santa has been changed a lot in his incarnations. Jolly, cranky. Fat, not fat. Old, young. Beard, no beard. Immortal, having a lineage. Skin colour is just one other aspect of the character, and one that people already change.

Your complaint has literally no weight to it. Santa is not sacred. Santa is not special.

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

[Tekania]

No Kefka, no mythological character is on such a pedestal. Unless you're prepaired to kill, you can't say that a character is on such a pedestal. They're imaginary beings, which people use and alter all the time. Do I even need to point to all the other mythological beings who've been completely altered from the source material? Let alone the fact that Santa has been changed a lot in his incarnations. Jolly, cranky. Fat, not fat. Old, young. Beard, no beard. Immortal, having a lineage. Skin colour is just one other aspect of the character, and one that people already change.

Your complaint has literally no weight to it. Santa is not sacred. Santa is not special.

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

You're not making sense because there is no official Santa "canon". Your appeals to the non-existent mean nothing.

[ALMF]

No Kefka, no mythological character is on such a pedestal. Unless you're prepaired to kill, you can't say that a character is on such a pedestal. They're imaginary beings, which people use and alter all the time. Do I even need to point to all the other mythological beings who've been completely altered from the source material? Let alone the fact that Santa has been changed a lot in his incarnations. Jolly, cranky. Fat, not fat. Old, young. Beard, no beard. Immortal, having a lineage. Skin colour is just one other aspect of the character, and one that people already change.

Your complaint has literally no weight to it. Santa is not sacred. Santa is not special.

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

So almost all the souses 3rd to early 20th century are "non-canon?"

[The Alma Mater]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

Perhaps you should not just post in it, but also read it. Perhaps then you would have learned that Saint Nicholas at the very least had a tan, not being Scandanavian and all. And that the character of Santa Clause is a combination of English, German and Dutch folklore, involving a demon, a saint from Turkey, a personification of Odin and Coca Cola

edit: ah, pot and kettle I see. You were just trolling. I should have read on.

[Aurora Novus]

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Who defines the canon? Santa Claus is a mythological being that's identify comes from many cultures across the globe. We're not talking about something written by a single, identifiable author. We're talking about a global idea. Everyone owns it. Everyone is "the author". Everyone can influence the canon.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

Then by your own conditions, the modern depiction of Santa is non-canon, since it comes not from Europe, but America. You've just shot yourself in the foot.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

So what you're saying is, all it would take to influence the canon would be for any person from Europe to depict Santa as black? Because that's already happened.

[God Kefka]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

Perhaps you should not just post in it, but also read it. Perhaps then you would have learned that Saint Nicholas at the very least had a tan, not being Scandanavian and all. And that the character of Santa Clause is a combination of English, German and Dutch folklore, involving a demon, a saint from Turkey, a personification of Odin and Coca Cola

edit: ah, pot and kettle I see. You were just trolling.

Saint Nicholas is Greek and so on a balance of probabilities was white. Also, by the time the legend concretized in the Dutch, English, and other Western and Northern European parts of Europe... he's being decisively imagined and depicted as white (making even the possibility that St Nick was not completely white irrelevant). St. Nick is just ONE of the many inspirations, all the other ones are decisively white.

[God Kefka]

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

You're not making sense because there is no official Santa "canon". Your appeals to the non-existent mean nothing.

actually I was going to say this to you... with respect to your appeals to this perfectly democratic artistic world where if any single person draws a black Santa is instantly means that the possibility that Santa is black should be taken seriously in contradiction to hundreds of years of canon establishing him as white...

[God Kefka]

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

So almost all the souses 3rd to early 20th century are "non-canon?"

The occasional satire that's here and there and sources from the colonized world (where they are responding to a European legend) are certainly not part of the canon.

[Mavorpen]

those images are non-cannon. One is a modern satire... the other one is from a colonized, non-European source most likely.

Santa Claus is a European legend... any attempt to try and steal that legend, make it your own, and tailor it to local conditions makes it non-canon.

All the canon sources have depicted Santa as white.

If I take a character from Chinese mythology, do a drawing of that character in which he is black... does that suddenly provide a canon source in which that character can legitimately and convincingly be seen as black?

No. Common sense says no....

There's canon from Europe... and then there's all sort of non-canons, parodies, and sources where people take something European and try to make it their own (which makes it become something else, but not THE Santa).

I hope I'm making sense...

So almost all the souses 3rd to early 20th century are "non-canon?"

Of course not. Anything made by anyone not white is non-canon.

Gotta keep their pure White Symbols from being tainted by those inferior races.

[Tekania]

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actually I was going to say this to you... with respect to your appeals to this perfectly democratic artistic world where if any single person draws a black Santa is instantly means that the possibility that Santa is black should be taken seriously in contradiction to hundreds of years of canon establishing him as white...

Santa is what people make of him. There is NO canon. You can appeal to the non-existent all you like.... it means nothing.

[Seattile]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

Perhaps you should not just post in it, but also read it. Perhaps then you would have learned that Saint Nicholas at the very least had a tan, not being Scandanavian and all. And that the character of Santa Clause is a combination of English, German and Dutch folklore, involving a demon, a saint from Turkey, a personification of Odin and Coca Cola

edit: ah, pot and kettle I see. You were just trolling. I should have read on.

I don't think I'm going to do something like that again, I felt really stupid for attempting to troll.

[ALMF]

So almost all the souses 3rd to early 20th century are "non-canon?"

Of course not. Anything made by anyone not white is non-canon.

Gotta keep their pure White Symbols from being tainted by those inferior races.

Yah that's what it sounds like to me to.