"Santa Claus should be white"

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

Santa Claus doesn't exist (sorry kids).

St. Nicholas, however, was a real dude and was Greek living in modern day Turkey. As far as I am aware, Greeks and Turks, being a Southern European people are generally considered to be white.

He may have been swarthy, but to say he was black is a big stretch.

Thank you. I don't know what multiculturalists have against a white or olive icon; but holy shit, they'll take any chance they can to turn someone black.

Generalizing multiculturalists isn't very intelligent on your part. For the record, I'm one.

[Aeken]

Santa Claus doesn't exist (sorry kids).

St. Nicholas, however, was a real dude and was Greek living in modern day Turkey. As far as I am aware, Greeks and Turks, being a Southern European people are generally considered to be white.

He may have been swarthy, but to say he was black is a big stretch.

Thank you. I don't know what multiculturalists have against a white or olive icon; but holy shit, they'll take any chance they can to turn someone black.

You do know most people arguing aren't saying it should be done for multiculturalism. Quit the generalization.

[God Kefka]

he has always been... should be... and shall remain white.

just as Harry Potter has been... should... and shall remain white. just as Oliver Twist has been... should... and shall remain white.

European legend = presumption that characters are white unless explicitly stated otherwise in the canon.

Santa Claus... has always been depicted as a jolly old WHITE man.

You want a new fictional/legendary character with a different ethnic origin... go write him up and advertise him.

[Tekania]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

His image isn't sacred at all. In fact, his image is relatively recently created, and physically and ideologically drawing from many different cultural sources. Having a black Santa breaks nothing, if that is what someone wants.

[Dasha Kovachevich]

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?

1) Santa's image was around longer than African Americans started participating in the tradition, but if it pleases them then they should put black santa pictures up in they christmas decorations with no problems
2) wanting a black representation is sort of racist because Santa was white for as long as his image existed (i could be wrong here)
3) no, it's a waste of time
4) I think it keeps peoples attention away from more serious situations. btw, I do think Jesus was white, considering almost all the palestinian people I met in my life were white...uh oh, debate?

[God Kefka]

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

His image isn't sacred at all. In fact, his image is relatively recently created, and physically and ideologically drawing from many different cultural sources. Having a black Santa breaks nothing, if that is what someone wants.

It is sacred.

Santa Claus is one of the greatest fictional characters ever. And in the canon, he's always been white...

There is a difference between the canonical reality, and an individual's wishful thinking. Google Santa and tell me what you see for the first two pages (hint: all white).

Also, if I went out and distributed this survey to 100 people I will get overwhelming responses that mention the words ''white'' or ''caucasian'' in addition to other standard tropes (red and white garb, magical sleigh, reindeers, boots etc):

''Please describe how you imagine Santa Claus to look like using AS MANY DESCRIPTOR WORDS as you can. Please be as detailed as possible.''

99% if they mention a racial component will mention white...

He's always been seen in the popular imagination as white.

[The Tundra]

1: Do you think that we should start to see black representations of Santa in popular culture?
2: Is wanting black representations of Santa in popular culture "racist", or just lobbying?
3: Is the "war on christmas" a legitimate political standpoint?
4: Generally, what are your views on black vs. white representations of popular culture figures in modern culture?

1) Santa's image was around longer than African Americans started participating in the tradition, but if it pleases them then they should put black santa pictures up in they christmas decorations with no problems
2) wanting a black representation is sort of racist because Santa was white for as long as his image existed (i could be wrong here)
3) no, it's a waste of time
4) I think it keeps peoples attention away from more serious situations. btw, I do think Jesus was white, considering almost all the palestinian people I met in my life were white...uh oh, debate?

yeah, just look at the People's Front of Judea addressing the situation in Syria.

[Tekania]

he has always been... should be... and shall remain white.

just as Harry Potter has been... should... and shall remain white. just as Oliver Twist has been... should... and shall remain white.

European legend = presumption that characters are white unless explicitly stated otherwise in the canon.

Santa Claus... has always been depicted as a jolly old WHITE man.

You want a new fictional/legendary character with a different ethnic origin... go write him up and advertise him.

How about we just show him as black and then spend the rest of the time laughing while you throw a tantrum.

[God Kefka]

he has always been... should be... and shall remain white.

just as Harry Potter has been... should... and shall remain white. just as Oliver Twist has been... should... and shall remain white.

European legend = presumption that characters are white unless explicitly stated otherwise in the canon.

Santa Claus... has always been depicted as a jolly old WHITE man.

You want a new fictional/legendary character with a different ethnic origin... go write him up and advertise him.

How about we just show him as black and then spend the rest of the time laughing while you throw a tantrum.

except you can't show him as black...

you can show me a black man in red and white garb, perhaps even on a magical flying sleigh with reindeer... but because he is not white he can't truly be called Santa Claus.

He's just a parody...

And the majority of the people in the real world will rightly see it as such.

Whenever someone says Santa Claus, the image that comes up is that of a jolly white old man. And it is so for a reason... it's the canon. Has been for hundreds of years... and should remain so in the name of artistic consistency and preserving tradition.

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

His image isn't sacred at all. In fact, his image is relatively recently created, and physically and ideologically drawing from many different cultural sources. Having a black Santa breaks nothing, if that is what someone wants.

It is sacred.

Santa Claus is one of the greatest fictional characters ever. And in the canon, he's always been white...

There is a difference between the canonical reality, and an individual's wishful thinking. Google Santa and tell me what you see for the first two pages (hint: all white).

Also, if I went out and distributed this survey to 100 people I will get overwhelming responses that mention the words ''white'' or ''caucasian'' in addition to other standard tropes (red and white garb, magical sleigh, reindeers, boots etc):

''Please describe how you imagine Santa Claus to look like using AS MANY DESCRIPTOR WORDS as you can. Please be as detailed as possible.''

99% if they mention a racial component will mention white...

He's always been seen in the popular imagination as white.

What is your obsession with Santa Claus being white? Why does it matter to you so much you have to nag about such a superfluous matter?

[Tekania]

It is sacred.

Santa Claus is one of the greatest fictional characters ever. And in the canon

There is no canon. So guess you'll just have to sit and rotate.

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

santa claus must be green

[Mavorpen]

he has always been... should be... and shall remain white.

just as Harry Potter has been... should... and shall remain white. just as Oliver Twist has been... should... and shall remain white.

European legend = presumption that characters are white unless explicitly stated otherwise in the canon.

Santa Claus... has always been depicted as a jolly old WHITE man.

You want a new fictional/legendary character with a different ethnic origin... go write him up and advertise him.

How about we just show him as black and then spend the rest of the time laughing while you throw a tantrum.

Which is of course, why I'm wondering why anyone bothers feeding him. I mean, I get that it's supposed to be funny or something to play the "Poe" that holds the stupidest beliefs possible and enter a thread pretending to hold them (and it was funny at first), but now he's just being desperate.

[Mavorpen]

It is sacred.

Santa Claus is one of the greatest fictional characters ever. And in the canon, he's always been white...

There is a difference between the canonical reality, and an individual's wishful thinking. Google Santa and tell me what you see for the first two pages (hint: all white).

Also, if I went out and distributed this survey to 100 people I will get overwhelming responses that mention the words ''white'' or ''caucasian'' in addition to other standard tropes (red and white garb, magical sleigh, reindeers, boots etc):

''Please describe how you imagine Santa Claus to look like using AS MANY DESCRIPTOR WORDS as you can. Please be as detailed as possible.''

99% if they mention a racial component will mention white...

He's always been seen in the popular imagination as white.

What is your obsession with Santa Claus being white? Why does it matter to you so much you have to nag about such a superfluous matter?

We've already answered this.

He doesn't like black people.

[Tekania]

except you can't show him as black...

Yes, we can... And there is not a single damn thing you can do about it (unless you want to counting whining and crying as doing something).

[Aurora Novus]

Okay, can we stop bringing up Saint Nicholas all the time, as if it's some knock-down argument about Santa's race? Santa's origins do lie with Nick, but not only Nick. Santa seems to have arose from other Winter characters, such as Father Christmas, Father Frost, Sinterklaas, and so on. All of whom were white.

It's really dishonest to point at just one influencing character, and go "LOOK LOOK SEE BROWN".

[God Kefka]

except you can't show him as black...

Yes, we can... And there is not a single damn thing you can do about it (unless you want to counting whining and crying as doing something).

if you did not read the rest of that quote... it is not my concern...

[God Kefka]

Okay, can we stop bringing up Saint Nicholas all the time, as if it's some knock-down argument about Santa's race? Santa's origins do lie with Nick, but not only Nick. Santa seems to have arose from other Winter characters, such as Father Christmas, Father Frost, Sinterklaas, and so on. All of whom were white.

It's really dishonest to point at just one influencing character, and go "LOOK LOOK SEE BROWN".

exactly... that's exactly right...

Santa has always been white...

[God Kefka]

santa claus must be green (Image)

he's white in that pic though...

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

santa claus must be green (Image)

he's white in that pic though...

thats becouse santa is from la ponia and it is a nordic country

[Aurora Novus]

Okay, can we stop bringing up Saint Nicholas all the time, as if it's some knock-down argument about Santa's race? Santa's origins do lie with Nick, but not only Nick. Santa seems to have arose from other Winter characters, such as Father Christmas, Father Frost, Sinterklaas, and so on. All of whom were white.

It's really dishonest to point at just one influencing character, and go "LOOK LOOK SEE BROWN".

exactly... that's exactly right...

Santa has always been white...

Now, that's not what I said. And I've already explained to you why your whining is ridiculous.

All I said was Santa has multiple origins, some white, some not. Let's not only point at the non-white ones, as if that matters.


The problem with your stance God Kefka, is that you want to put Santa on some untouchable pedestal, where no mythlogical figure, not even God, has even been before. Seriously, think about that. It's okay to make a black Yahweh, but not a black Santa? That's just silly. It's ridiculous.

[Mavorpen]

he's white in that pic though...

thats becouse santa is from la ponia and it is a nordic country

Santa isn't from anywhere.

He doesn't exist.

[Seattile]

The legend of Santa Claus started in Scandinavia and I have never seen/heard of a black Scandinavian. I must really be bored if I'm posting on a topic like this.

[The Holy NeoSpanish Empire]

thats becouse santa is from la ponia and it is a nordic country

Santa isn't from anywhere.

He doesn't exist.

but the legend tells he comes from la ponia and laponia is a nordic country , anyways in all his representations he is white

[God Kefka]

exactly... that's exactly right...

Santa has always been white...

Now, that's not what I said. And I've already explained to you why your whining is ridiculous.

All I said was Santa has multiple origins, some white, some not. Let's not only point at the non-white ones, as if that matters.


The problem with your stance God Kefka, is that you want to put Santa on some untouchable pedestal, where no mythlogical figure, not even God, has even been before. Seriously, think about that. It's okay to make a black Yahweh, but not a black Santa? That's just silly. It's ridiculous.

I don't want to put him on such a pedestal... I''m just pointing out that he's ALREADY on such a pedestal through hundreds of years of canon.