"Santa Claus should be white"

[Libertarian California]

As such, I think that if the idea of him being depicted as black pisses you off, you're probably a racist.

How does that even work. It's like saying that if Santa being depicted with green hair makes someone annoyed, then that person must hate people who die their hair green.

[The Batorys]

As such, I think that if the idea of him being depicted as black pisses you off, you're probably a racist.

How does that even work. It's like saying that if Santa being depicted with green hair makes someone annoyed, then that person must hate people who die their hair green.

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

[God Kefka]

How does that even work. It's like saying that if Santa being depicted with green hair makes someone annoyed, then that person must hate people who die their hair green.

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

[Aurora Novus]

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

[God Kefka]

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

[ALMF]

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

60 some years since the 1950s ; 1950s is not 3rd century.

[The Batorys]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

He's already been altered considerably.

[Aurora Novus]

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

Pretty much every people group ever has felt that about their various mythos. Santa is not special. He's a magical man in a suit, in a world filled with lore about magical men in suits. You may personally like Santa a lot...but he's not special. Not by any objective standard.

[ALMF]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

So the 40s and 50s change (lead by Coca-cola) from This:

to this:

was ok but thats the last change?

[Alien Space Bats]

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

Do you hear your own words? "Being white is part of what makes him a great character."

Right. Because being black would make him a less lovable and less iconic character.

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And this is somehow not racism?

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

Why should the skin color of an imaginary being matter? It's like saying "Easter Bunny should be white".

It's about a sense of racial superiority heritage.

I can see the idiocy of the statements made. Is it really that much of a deal when they say factually incorrect shit about two figures related to christianity for their own favor? Let them be idiots and not check out the facts if they so wish.

[Cameroi]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

there's a couple of problems with that. when nast, an american political cartoonist, first depicted him, there was very little color printing, and his immage was not depicted in color. nor was the paper the image was printed on always white. sometimes it was yellow.

[The Alma Mater]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

So his suit should return to the original green instead of red, like Father Christmas ?
Or should he lose the fat and instead look more like Saint Nicholas (who is a completely different person) ?
And the depictions of him with different looks used around the world should all become illegal ?

[Chinese Regions]

People alter mythological beings all the time. Why is Santa any different?

he's one of the greatest fictional characters of all time and should remain unadulterated/unaltered as much as possible...

his image as a white old man with a white beard is sacred...

He's a corporate symbol for Coca Cola lifted made by combining characters; Saint Nicholas, Christkindl and Father Christmas.

[Norstal]

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

he's always been white...

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

Europeans can be black.

I know. Shocking.

[Chinese Regions]

Well... it's a choice to dye one's hair. One's skin color isn't really a choice.

That said, we're talking about a fictional character who lives at the north pole, is rotund, wears a silly red suit and delivers toys to all the world's children in one night, using a magical flying sleigh pulled by magical flying reindeer, one of which apparently has a bright red nose that glows powerfully enough to serve as a headlight, to do so. And yet this character perhaps being depicted as having darker skin, or in your example, green hair, would be ridiculous?

Given the rest of the trappings of the character of Santa Claus, what reason would someone have to object to him being black, or some color other than white, other than racism?

he's always been white...

Saint Nicholas is from Anatolia, so he probably had olive or dark brown skin like other Mediterranean peoples.
Father Christmas and Christkindl, like most Europeans, would probably have a skin of this color: #FFDABE

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

This guy doesn't look white to me, I suppose his beard and the trim on his hat and coat are but his skin? Can't be arsed to use my color picker tool on photoshop but that color definitely has saturation and is somewhere in the red and yellow hues, not white at all.

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

He's not a European legend, the Santa we see to day was made in America and had that image popularized by Coca Cola and is an amalgamation of an Anatolian character, an English character and a German character.

[Orham]

The modern version of Santa Claus has been imagined and depicted as white for almost all of its existential history. It's part of what makes him a distinct image and a great character...

...oh, please do explain how Santa's race/ethnicity contributes or detracts from the quality of the character. And as you do, try to fit your narrative with the fact that the entire purpose of the character is to personify charity, goodwill, kindness, generosity, and love. This ought to be good.

You can't just change him out of some misguided sense of multiculturalism... he has to reflect and be true to the European roots... He's a European legend after all.

You really aren't making the reasonable version of the argument central to this trope. At all.

[The Islands of Insanity]

Man, you guys are just racially OBSESSED! 48 pages of this?

As a realist, here is my opinion. He should have an olive complexion. St. Nicholas (for those of you Athies who don't know was the saint in which SC is based on.) was an ethnic Greek.

THERE IS SAID IT!

[Constitutional Commonwealth]

Man, you guys are just racially OBSESSED! 48 pages of this?

As a realist, here is my opinion. He should have an olive complexion. St. Nicholas (for those of you Athies who don't know was the saint in which SC is based on.) was an ethnic Greek.

THERE IS SAID IT!

I can relate.

[Bezombia]

Man, you guys are just racially OBSESSED! 48 pages of this?

As a realist, here is my opinion. He should have an olive complexion. St. Nicholas (for those of you Athies who don't know was the saint in which SC is based on.) was an ethnic Greek.

THERE IS SAID IT!

You must be extremely new to this site.

[Spartan Philidelphia]

Santa Claus is a fictional character. One can portray him as one likes.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Santa Claus doesn't exist (sorry kids).

St. Nicholas, however, was a real dude and was Greek living in modern day Turkey. As far as I am aware, Greeks and Turks, being a Southern European people are generally considered to be white.

He may have been swarthy, but to say he was black is a big stretch.

[Lunamyst]

Santa Claus doesn't exist (sorry kids).

St. Nicholas, however, was a real dude and was Greek living in modern day Turkey. As far as I am aware, Greeks and Turks, being a Southern European people are generally considered to be white.

He may have been swarthy, but to say he was black is a big stretch.

Thank you. I don't know what multiculturalists have against a white or olive icon; but holy shit, they'll take any chance they can to turn someone black.

[Edlichbury]

Man, you guys are just racially OBSESSED! 48 pages of this?

As a realist, here is my opinion. He should have an olive complexion. St. Nicholas (for those of you Athies who don't know was the saint in which SC is based on.) was an ethnic Greek.

THERE IS SAID IT!

Because all Greeks look the same. Despite forensic evidence that suggests the historical St Nicolas was distinctly not white.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/media/i ... site3a.jpg - forensic reconstruction top, center.

[Lunamyst]

Man, you guys are just racially OBSESSED! 48 pages of this?

As a realist, here is my opinion. He should have an olive complexion. St. Nicholas (for those of you Athies who don't know was the saint in which SC is based on.) was an ethnic Greek.

THERE IS SAID IT!

Because all Greeks look the same. Despite forensic evidence that suggests the historical St Nicolas was distinctly not white.

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/media/i ... site3a.jpg - forensic reconstruction top, center.

All I see is olive and white. Which is pretty much what he said.