"Santa Claus should be white"

[New Laikland]

You just denied the existence of over 1.6 billion people.

Do we really need to acknowledge those people? Will it really change anything?

Not at all. We only need the true, white AMERICANS.

Nah.

Sure.

Mon·gol·oid (mngg-loid, mn-)
adj.
1. Anthropology Of or being a major human racial classification traditionally distinguished by physical characteristics such as yellowish-brown skin pigmentation, straight black hair, dark eyes with pronounced epicanthic folds, and prominent cheekbones and including peoples indigenous to central and eastern Asia.

[God Kefka]

And yes, Santa Claus should be white just because he has always been and he looks the coolest that way. If you want another character, go write him up and publicize him. Don't ruin santa.

So portraying anyone as black who was not portrayed so before ruins them? So the Avengers movies ruined Nick Fury by portraying him as black? So Bruce Almighty ruined God by portraying him as black?

Yes, to some extent the character of Nick Fury has been ruined simply by arbitrarily changing his race (for what I presume, is an attempt to try and get views from a wider demographic). Nick Fury was always supposed to be a white man (sometimes with slightly gray hair) with an eye patch. I don't appreciate how they just chose to plug in a famous black actor from Star Wars to increase sales... There should be a certain amount of faithfulness to the physical essentials of a character.

God being black may make a bit of sense. I mean, if you take the first humans to be Africans and humans being first made in his image. That being said, Bruce Almighty was an absolutely atrocious film. But I can see how you can argue this is unfaithful to the character...

[New Laikland]

"This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information."

Welp.

2edge
much progressive
wow

[Utceforp]

No such thing.

You just denied the existence of over 1.6 billion people.

Although some forensic anthropologists and other scientists continue to use the term in some contexts (such as criminal justice), the term mongoloid is now considered derogatory by most anthropologists due to its association with disputed typological models of racial classification.

[Bezombia]

So portraying anyone as black who was not portrayed so before ruins them? So the Avengers movies ruined Nick Fury by portraying him as black? So Bruce Almighty ruined God by portraying him as black?

Yes, to some extent the character of Nick Fury has been ruined simply by arbitrarily changing his race (for what I presume, is an attempt to try and get views from a wider demographic). Nick Fury was always supposed to be a white man (sometimes with slightly gray hair) with an eye patch. I don't appreciate how they just chose to plug in a famous black actor from Star Wars to increase sales... There should be a certain amount of faithfulness to the physical essentials of a character.

Bullshit. Fury was black in the Ultimate (1610) universe, of which more concepts were pulled from than the normal -616 universe for the movies.

[New Laikland]

Although some forensic anthropologists and other scientists continue to use the term in some contexts (such as criminal justice), the term mongoloid is now considered derogatory by most anthropologists due to its association with disputed typological models of racial classification.

Who needs fact when you have political correctness!

Your science ends where my feelings begin.

[Liberated Dixieland]

The "Mongloid, Caucasoid, Negroid" terms seem to be generally only used nowadays by racists.

Yes, to some extent the character of Nick Fury has been ruined simply by arbitrarily changing his race (for what I presume, is an attempt to try and get views from a wider demographic). Nick Fury was always supposed to be a white man (sometimes with slightly gray hair) with an eye patch. I don't appreciate how they just chose to plug in a famous black actor from Star Wars to increase sales... There should be a certain amount of faithfulness to the physical essentials of a character.

So other than offending racists who demand that anyone ever shown as white be shown as so forevermore, how did that negatively impact the portrayal of the character in the movie whatsoever?

[Lies and Ignorance]

Who needs fact when you have political correctness!

Your science ends where my feelings begin.

What a beautiful summary of your logic when you argue that racial typology is a thing.

[God Kefka]

As for the issue of ''Jesus should be white'' I completely support it alongside much of the religious fundementalist base but for completely opposite reasons.

I think this should hasten the downfall of Christianity as a relevant force in the modern age...

There is nothing more obvious than Jesus' physical appearance as an exclusively white man to underline a fundamental truth about the history and nature of the religion he stands for. It has always been a white man's religion; it has always been a religion of imperialism and eurocentrism.

If it weren't for European colonialism and imperialism, Christianity would never have lasted so long.

A white Jesus Christ should continue to remind at least a whole bunch of people of this.

My god... your right! simply pointing out that some depictions of Jesus are wrong will bring down all of Christianity... why has no one thought of this before?! I'm suddenly an Atheist as well! well done kefka you should spread this message around the world. Also point out it's illogical to believe in a god in the first place Christians wont possibly be able to maintain belief then!

That's EXACTLY what I want to hear... that's EXACTLY what I want to hear!

[Mavorpen]

Who needs fact when you have political correctness!

Your science ends where my feelings begin.

"Race" isn't scientific.

We've known this for a while now.

[Utceforp]

Who needs fact when you have political correctness!

Your science ends where my feelings begin.

How is changing terminology to not offend people against science? Besides, lumping all Inuit/Siberian, Asian and Polynesian people under one term is archaic, inaccurate, and unscientific.

[Orthodox Brotherhood]

"This article's factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information."

Welp.

2edge
much progressive
wow

I don't see how it could be that out of date, I mean, it says that Mongoloid just means 'resembling Mongols', so unless these people no longer resemble Mongols, Mongoloids must exist.

[Greater-London]

How did they work that one out?

I can't remember honestly, whether it was based off average skulls of Hebrews from the time or if it was from the shroud of Turin, one of the two.

ha I hope its the Turin shroud other wise its just the face of a standard Hebrew man which is pretty lazy. I do however keep on looking at it and its making me feel a bit uneasy, perhaps it is jesus ...

[New Laikland]

"Race" isn't scientific.

We've known this for a while now.

Then why can I determine the race of a person by looking at their skeleton? Why can I determine it by looking at their genetics? Why can I determine it just by LOOKING AT THEM?

Race does exist. But the once used definition is now gone.

[Themiclesia]

I think it matters little what Santa Claus actually looks like. We as a civilised people value the goodwill and charity that Santa represents, not what he looks like. True, we usually depict him as an elderly, generously proportioned man with a great beard, in red robes and hat, but it hardly matters as every gift given and kind word spoken is the work of Santa.

[God Kefka]

Yes, to some extent the character of Nick Fury has been ruined simply by arbitrarily changing his race (for what I presume, is an attempt to try and get views from a wider demographic). Nick Fury was always supposed to be a white man (sometimes with slightly gray hair) with an eye patch. I don't appreciate how they just chose to plug in a famous black actor from Star Wars to increase sales... There should be a certain amount of faithfulness to the physical essentials of a character.

Bullshit. Fury was black in the Ultimate (1610) universe, of which more concepts were pulled from than the normal -616 universe for the movies.

oh wow...

then it appears that Hollywood was not the first to compromise the pure artistic vision of Nick Fury to try and expand sales...

But I should hardly be surprised anyways right. These days, money talks...

[Vazdania]

Obviously he's a Capitalist, he hires all those Elves to do work for him.......

Checkmate Communists.

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

Supply and Demand.....He only needs to supply once a year to meet demand.

Checkmate, Communists.

[Lies and Ignorance]

I don't see how it could be that out of date

Yes, you do. You just pretend you don't.

Anyhow, as to the thread, why are people so offended by portraying Santa Claus as black, again? You guys don't raise nearly as many qualms about the pipe and the caribou-driven sleigh.

[New Laikland]

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How is changing terminology to not offend people against science? Besides, lumping all Inuit/Siberian, Asian and Polynesian people under one term is archaic, inaccurate, and unscientific.

Changing terminology to appease people who think it's offensive is not science at all.


Lumping all of them under the term Mongoloid is correct, because they all resemble eachother and come from the same place. Mongoloid is a race, while sub-races exist under it.

[Bezombia]

The elves are proleteriat, which is why he only gets to distribute presents once a year.

Checkmate, Capitalists.

Supply and Demand.....He only needs to supply once a year to meet demand.

Checkmate, Communists.

You already said that.

[Mavorpen]

Then why can I determine the race of a person by looking at their skeleton?

You can't.

Why can I determine it by looking at their genetics?

Again, you can't.

Why can I determine it just by LOOKING AT THEM?

...What?

Race does exist. But the once used definition is now gone.

No it doesn't.

[Gauthier]

So portraying anyone as black who was not portrayed so before ruins them? So the Avengers movies ruined Nick Fury by portraying him as black? So Bruce Almighty ruined God by portraying him as black?

Yes, to some extent the character of Nick Fury has been ruined simply by arbitrarily changing his race (for what I presume, is an attempt to try and get views from a wider demographic). Nick Fury was always supposed to be a white man (sometimes with slightly gray hair) with an eye patch. I don't appreciate how they just chose to plug in a famous black actor from Star Wars to increase sales... There should be a certain amount of faithfulness to the physical essentials of a character.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

[Bezombia]

Bullshit. Fury was black in the Ultimate (1610) universe, of which more concepts were pulled from than the normal -616 universe for the movies.

oh wow...

then it appears that Hollywood was not the first to compromise the pure artistic vision of Nick Fury to try and expand sales...

But I should hardly be surprised anyways right. These days, money talks...

Because clearly the only reason anyone would introduce a black character is to make more money.

[New Laikland]

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Sources, please?

[Greater-London]

I don't see how it could be that out of date, I mean, it says that Mongoloid just means 'resembling Mongols', so unless these people no longer resemble Mongols, Mongoloids must exist.

It's just a term not used anymore. Like spastic or retard probably because its been used offensively - Mongloid being a offensive term for people who have down syndrome.