India recriminalises homosexuality

[Salandriagado]

You discriminate against homosexuals because you advocate less rights being applied to them. Ergo, you are homophobic.

I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just don't believe in gay rights. You people are making great leaps that don't make sense. Just because one person says, "Death to the gays!" doesn't mean everyone else does.

Equivalently: "I don't discriminate against blacks. I just don't believe in giving the niggers human rights". "I don't discriminate against women, I just don't think they should have rights".

[Valcouria]

It is the mentality of their kind; if you are not with them, you are automatically against them (the Sith mentality, fittingly), and thus stand for everything that they despise, allowing them to attack you in all ways to either try to make you change your mind or ostracize you for all time.

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You can't not support rights for someone and not discriminate against them. Denying people rights is a direct act of discrimination.

Yeah, the problem with the above statement is that it's false.

Discrimination: the treatment of a person or particular group of people differently, in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/american-english/discrimination_1?q=discrimination
Throwing people in jail, denying people marriage rights, and other anti-LGBT laws are dictionary definitions of discrimination.

[Capital Zealand]

Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

Evidence that there is a god, evidence that especially the Abrahamic God exists, evidence that he declared marriage to be so.

That is all I need.

[Threlizdun]

You can't not support rights for someone and not discriminate against them. Denying people rights is a direct act of discrimination.

Yeah, the problem with the above statement is that it's false.

What the hell is your definition of discrimination then?

[Dangelia]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Exactly. Frankly, it gets very annoying. Just because I don't support gay rights, you start assuming that I'm the son of Hitler and Stalin and was taught by the devil to kill gays. And even if you don't believe that, you certainly sound like it.

[Salandriagado]

You can't not support rights for someone and not discriminate against them. Denying people rights is a direct act of discrimination.

Yeah, the problem with the above statement is that it's false.

No, it isn't. That's pretty close to being the dictionary definition of discrimination.

[Aeken]

You discriminate against homosexuals because you advocate less rights being applied to them. Ergo, you are homophobic.

I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just don't believe in gay rights. You people are making great leaps that don't make sense. Just because one person says, "Death to the gays!" doesn't mean everyone else does.

I didn't say you advocated death or anything of that manner. You make a distinction between homosexual and heterosexual rights. You believe that they should be treated differently(in the sense of rights equal to a heterosexual). Yes, you are.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Yeah fucking right.
I'm the one pressuring people to change when society hates me, when everyone else are the ones that are talking shit about me and who I am? What a fucking ridiculous sentiment. Oh, and you can stop with the blatantly offensive "your kind" shit now.

[Threlizdun]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Pressuring people to change their minds is worse than depression, alienation, suicide, rape, assault, murder, and genocide?

[Condunum]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Surely you only speak of internet debating homosexuals? Because that's the only group this could be true of. Probably because it's the only place anonymous enough to be outraged at homophobia. Get the fuck over it, the minority is voicing itself loudly in the secret places it can.

[Capital Zealand]

This way of thinking is very strange indeed; according to your reasoning, if more than 50% of the inhabitants of a nation vote for a thing, then it should be implemented irrelevant of how destructive it is?
If 51% of the people in a country voted tomorrow to launch a nuclear warfare, would it, according to your reasoning, be fair? What if 51% of people voted to start a genocide tomorrow; would it be "democracy" for you?

Yes. That would be democracy.

Therefore democracy is a flawed system and all of us would be better off with a constitutional republic instead.

[Regnum Dominae]

Regardless of the issue at hand,

That's the one and only original meaning of the term, folks. Whenever the majority votes for a representative, it is a democracy, whatever that representative does.

Thank you.

It is always left wing wannabe tyrants that are against democracy and against that people can decide what their nation should do. Those tyrants always think that they should be in control of the nuclear weapons and gay propaganda, even if the majority of the people are against it.

What the fuck is "gay propaganda", and what do nuclear weapons have to do with this.

(btw, I'm a right-winger and I support LGBT equality)

[New Libertarian States]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

*looks at gay friends*
*looks at gay people I see daily*
Er, wat.
Most people of the LGBTQ that I am in contact with just don't give a shit if you don't like them.

[Regnum Dominae]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Lolnope.

[Capital Zealand]

No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

It is the mentality of their kind; if you are not with them, you are automatically against them (the Sith mentality, fittingly), and thus stand for everything that they despise, allowing them to attack you in all ways to either try to make you change your mind or ostracize you for all time.

Sounds like you just described yourselves.

[Northfront]

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

Bullshit. Homosexuality has a very bad effect on society. It is a degenerate and decadent lifestyle. Check out the STD and HIV stats. Still I would not ban homosexuals. Like I would not ban any other insane people. Help them instead and do what Russia did. Ban the gay propaganda towards children.

Homophobia? Really? Do you seriously think that people have some insane level of fear of homosexuals?

[Dangelia]

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Yeah fucking right.
I'm the one pressuring people to change when society hates me, when everyone else are the ones that are talking shit about me and who I am? What a fucking ridiculous sentiment. Oh, and you can stop with the blatantly offensive "your kind" shit now.

I don't hate you. The sooner you can get that through your thick head, the better.

[Salandriagado]

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Exactly. Frankly, it gets very annoying. Just because I don't support gay rights, you start assuming that I'm the son of Hitler and Stalin and was taught by the devil to kill gays. And even if you don't believe that, you certainly sound like it.

You support denying basic human rights to people. That singlehandedly crosses you off the "vaguely decent human being" list.

[Dakran]

Nice strawman.

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Calling a group of people, "your kind" is VERY dehumanizing. I am shocked that anyone can say something like that. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

[Capital Zealand]

Considering the fact that you support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex, it ain't to far fetched to assume that you would support genocide of homosexuals. Seriously, this is beyond marriage; people get thrown in jail for fucking another man. How the hell can you possibly support something as backward and barbaric as politically repressing people for sexual orientation? That is far beyond simple conservatism.

I don't support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex. That's stupid. We might as well jail almost every single American then for having pre-marital sex. I just don't support gay marriage.

Then you have this flawed, irrational, evidence-ignoring double standard demon called homophobia inside your head.

[Pandeeria]

India is now again off the Fabolous list™.

[Seriong]

I call them as I see them; you and your kind have pulled that card for several years now, and frankly it is disgusting far worse than homophobia ever was. You try to pressure people into either changing their minds or cowing them into silence.

Exactly. Frankly, it gets very annoying. Just because I don't support gay rights, you start assuming that I'm the son of Hitler and Stalin and was taught by the devil to kill gays. And even if you don't believe that, you certainly sound like it.

Actually, you're the one making jumps. Homophobe =/= "Son of Hitler"

[Etha]

Anyway, thing to discuss? The world's largest democracy has just decided to take a giant step backwards into a mountain of shite. Views on that?

I see what you did there...Nice. .

[Regnum Dominae]

Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

Bullshit. Homosexuality has a very bad effect on society. It is a degenerate and decadent lifestyle. Check out the STD and HIV stats. Still I would not ban homosexuals. Like I would not ban any other insane people. Help them instead and do what Russia did. Ban the gay propaganda towards children.

1) We're not "insane", thank you very much.
2) No more "degenerate" or "decadent" than heterosexuality.
3) What the hell is "gay propaganda"? Let me guess, teaching children the fact that homosexuality is perfectly good and healthy, is somehow "propaganda".

Homophobia? Really? Do you seriously think that people have some insane level of fear of homosexuals?

Hatred, not fear.