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Postby Valcouria » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:In Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, and the Sudan, people are killed for having sexual relations with another man; do you support that? Do you support violence and government condoned genocide?

No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

It is the mentality of their kind; if you are not with them, you are automatically against them (the Sith mentality, fittingly), and thus stand for everything that they despise, allowing them to attack you in all ways to either try to make you change your mind or ostracize you for all time.
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

You support making it a criminal offense. How can you possibly justify that without admitting to your irrational hatred of homosexuals?
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Dakran wrote:Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

No it ain't. Most marriage is secular, and different religions have different definitions of marriage.

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Postby Dakran » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Dakran wrote:Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

Hahahahaha. No.

Marriage is a union between two consenting persons. Gods have nothing to do with it.
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Postby Capital Zealand » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Dangelia wrote:First Croatia, then India. :) Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Where do you homophobes come from? You have a nest I could pillage?
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Postby Aeken » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

You discriminate against homosexuals because you advocate less rights being applied to them. Ergo, you are homophobic.

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Dakran wrote:Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

Marriage has existed as an institution long before people ever began believing in the Abrahamic God, and that institution included same-sex couples.
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Postby Dangelia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Dangelia wrote:No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

Considering the fact that you support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex, it ain't to far fetched to assume that you would support genocide of homosexuals. Seriously, this is beyond marriage; people get thrown in jail for fucking another man. How the hell can you possibly support something as backward and barbaric as politically repressing people for sexual orientation? That is far beyond simple conservatism.

I don't support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex. That's stupid. We might as well jail almost every single American then for having pre-marital sex. I just don't support gay marriage.

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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Valcouria wrote:
Dangelia wrote:No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

It is the mentality of their kind; if you are not with them, you are automatically against them (the Sith mentality, fittingly), and thus stand for everything that they despise, allowing them to attack you in all ways to either try to make you change your mind or ostracize you for all time.

Nice strawman.

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Postby Capital Zealand » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Dangelia wrote:First Croatia, then India. :) Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Yeah; tyranny-by-majority and oppressing people for their sexual orientation is a great fucking direction to go in.

This, people, is why you don't give citizens any say in politics.

Nah, more like why you should educate them rational thinking.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Considering the fact that you support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex, it ain't to far fetched to assume that you would support genocide of homosexuals. Seriously, this is beyond marriage; people get thrown in jail for fucking another man. How the hell can you possibly support something as backward and barbaric as politically repressing people for sexual orientation? That is far beyond simple conservatism.

I don't support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex. That's stupid. We might as well jail almost every single American then for having pre-marital sex. I just don't support gay marriage.

Then why the hell did you say that India was going in the 'right direction' by doing it?

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Postby Dangelia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Aeken wrote:
Dangelia wrote:No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

You discriminate against homosexuals because you advocate less rights being applied to them. Ergo, you are homophobic.

I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just don't believe in gay rights. You people are making great leaps that don't make sense. Just because one person says, "Death to the gays!" doesn't mean everyone else does.

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Postby Britanno » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Dangelia wrote:I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.


Not giving equal rights to homosexuals makes you homophobic.
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Considering the fact that you support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex, it ain't to far fetched to assume that you would support genocide of homosexuals. Seriously, this is beyond marriage; people get thrown in jail for fucking another man. How the hell can you possibly support something as backward and barbaric as politically repressing people for sexual orientation? That is far beyond simple conservatism.

I don't support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex. That's stupid. We might as well jail almost every single American then for having pre-marital sex. I just don't support gay marriage.

Then why the hell did you say this was a step in the right direction if you don't support arresting people for this?
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Postby Confederate People of the United States » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Democracy is in between a dictatorship and anarchy. Just people are too busy trying to force other people to do stuff that they couldn't find more specific names for the general term "Democracy"

P.S. Communism is just it's own little dystopia out in the distance not related to this statement.
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Postby Capital Zealand » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Dakran wrote:How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

You have more than that. Also, not supporting gay rights alongside straight rights is homophobia and needs to be weeded out.
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Postby Northfront » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:36 pm

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Kronstad wrote:This way of thinking is very strange indeed; according to your reasoning, if more than 50% of the inhabitants of a nation vote for a thing, then it should be implemented irrelevant of how destructive it is?
If 51% of the people in a country voted tomorrow to launch a nuclear warfare, would it, according to your reasoning, be fair? What if 51% of people voted to start a genocide tomorrow; would it be "democracy" for you?

Regardless of the issue at hand,
The Oxford English dictionary wrote:democracy (noun): a system of government in which all the people of a country can vote to elect their representatives

That's the one and only original meaning of the term, folks. Whenever the majority votes for a representative, it is a democracy, whatever that representative does.


Thank you.

It is always left wing wannabe tyrants that are against democracy and against that people can decide what their nation should do. Those tyrants always think that they should be in control of the nuclear weapons and gay propaganda, even if the majority of the people are against it.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:37 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Aeken wrote:You discriminate against homosexuals because you advocate less rights being applied to them. Ergo, you are homophobic.

I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just don't believe in gay rights. You people are making great leaps that don't make sense. Just because one person says, "Death to the gays!" doesn't mean everyone else does.

You can't not support rights for someone and not discriminate against them. Denying people rights is a direct act of discrimination.

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Postby Basking Turtles » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:37 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Valcouria wrote:It is the mentality of their kind; if you are not with them, you are automatically against them (the Sith mentality, fittingly), and thus stand for everything that they despise, allowing them to attack you in all ways to either try to make you change your mind or ostracize you for all time.

Nice strawman.

Not even that. I like how he stereotypes "them" by claiming that "they" stereotype him.

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:38 pm

Confederate People of the United States wrote:Democracy is in between a dictatorship and anarchy. Just people are too busy trying to force other people to do stuff that they couldn't find more specific names for the general term "Democracy"

P.S. Communism is just it's own little dystopia out in the distance not related to this statement.
Everything you just said is both false and totally unrelated to the topic at hand
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:38 pm

Basking Turtles wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Nice strawman.

Not even that. I like how he stereotypes "them" by claiming that "they" stereotype him.

And don't ya just love the offensive use of "their kind"?

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Postby Capital Zealand » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:38 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

Fixed it! :)
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Postby Dangelia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:39 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Dangelia wrote:I don't discriminate against homosexuals. I just don't believe in gay rights. You people are making great leaps that don't make sense. Just because one person says, "Death to the gays!" doesn't mean everyone else does.

You can't not support rights for someone and not discriminate against them. Denying people rights is a direct act of discrimination.

Yeah, the problem with the above statement is that it's false.

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Postby Dangelia » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:39 pm

Capital Zealand wrote:
Dangelia wrote:No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

Fixed it! :)

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