India recriminalises homosexuality

[Basking Turtles]

This way of thinking is very strange indeed; according to your reasoning, if more than 50% of the inhabitants of a nation vote for a thing, then it should be implemented irrelevant of how destructive it is?
If 51% of the people in a country voted tomorrow to launch a nuclear warfare, would it, according to your reasoning, be fair? What if 51% of people voted to start a genocide tomorrow; would it be "democracy" for you?

Regardless of the issue at hand,

democracy (noun): a system of government in which all the people of a country can vote to elect their representatives

That's the one and only original meaning of the term, folks. Whenever the majority votes for a representative, it is a democracy, whatever that representative does.

[Bharatia]

Yeah, you totally know better than the person actually from that country.

By ethnic country I am guessing they are just of Indian descent. Yes, if they believe that India is a lawless wasteland instead of an actual functioning society then I do know better than them.

Again I don't and I was an Indian in my lifetime, but I moved and changed, cause I did not approve of the government and the life I had to live and also cause nobody gets to choose which country they are born into.

[Threlizdun]

No, India is actually a functioning society, despite your absolutely insane beliefs otherwise.

I'm not saying it is not. I'm just saying it takes a hell a long time for anybody to go court. Also the police are generally corrupt. And some politicians are also corrupt. Otherwise it functions, it has too, it has a billion people living in it, going about their lives.

You stated laws are not follwed there, which is nonsense. Is there a problem with police corruption in India? Yes. Can the judiciary become clogged? Yes. However, that has not prevented laws from being enforced there.

[Dangelia]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

[Threlizdun]

By ethnic country I am guessing they are just of Indian descent. Yes, if they believe that India is a lawless wasteland instead of an actual functioning society then I do know better than them.

Tell us about your experiences in India.

Are you doubting that it isn't a lawless wasteland?

[Dakran]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

How so? Please do elaborate.

[Aeken]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right wrong direction.

Fixed.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Yeah; tyranny-by-majority and oppressing people for their sexual orientation is a great fucking direction to go in.

This, people, is why you don't give citizens any say in politics.

[Britanno]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Backwards?

[Threlizdun]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Human rights violations, direct suffering and in increase in depression and sucide rights for millions, and indirect harm to the entire population is not a good thing.

[AiliailiA]

You said banning homosexuality wasn't a human rights abuse, but "only" the withdrawal of a privilege.

Don't you see that for that to make sense, the privilege when granted has to be justified somehow? There has to be a positive reason for granting it, which does not apply (or applies significantly less) in the case where it's denied.

So try again. Justify granting the privilege in some cases but not others.

Before going with "so people can reproduce" bear in mind that you may remove the privilege from yourself and others to use contraception. Or indeed masturbate.

Reproduction is not dependent on marriage anyway so we may as well remove the whole thing.

I think you're trying to agree with me? You failed

Promoting a stable home environment with two (or more) carers for each child is a point in favor of marriage. Sex is relevant to that (keeps a couple together), but what kind of sex doesn't matter much.

Strictly speaking, marriage doesn't require sex. In theory, homosexuality could be illegal but same sex marriage legal ... but given how common the argument of marriage prohibitionists is, that by allowing something government promotes that thing, and how common the idea that sex outside marriage is wrong is (and thus, marriage is 'permission' to have sex) I can't imagine that ever happening.

[Dangelia]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

[Aeken]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

This isn't even related to marriage. This bans homosexuals outright.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

In Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, and the Sudan, people are killed for having sexual relations with another man; do you support that? Do you support violence and government condoned genocide?

[Technocratic Federation of Synertia]

First Croatia, then India. Looks like we're going in the right direction.

Don't know if sarcasm or...

[Threlizdun]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

[Bharatia]

I'm not saying it is not. I'm just saying it takes a hell a long time for anybody to go court. Also the police are generally corrupt. And some politicians are also corrupt. Otherwise it functions, it has too, it has a billion people living in it, going about their lives.

You stated laws are not follwed there, which is nonsense. Is there a problem with police corruption in India? Yes. Can the judiciary become clogged? Yes. However, that has not prevented laws from being enforced there.

It kinda has. I mean, have you seen the roads? Also, India has a tax rate of like 22%. So low, but still so much black money is circulating around. If everyone payed their real taxes, than I bet India would be near China's economic strength.

Granted, people do follow the laws, although I think that has to do more with religious morality
than fear of the government.

I'm not saying that India is a lawless wasteland. It's a beautiful country and I always feel like I'm home when I go there. But I can't live there due to all of this corruption and stuff. I can deal with it for holidays, but I just can't deal with the country itself if I was to living there.

And I blame the government. Not saying I am an anarchist but I believe that people should be able to completely trust in their government, but India is on where I just can't trust.

[Dangelia]

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

In Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, and the Sudan, people are killed for having sexual relations with another man; do you support that? Do you support violence and government condoned genocide?

No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

[Dakran]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

[Dangelia]

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Yes, you are a homophobe. If you would be outraged by what happened in India. There is no reason to support criminalizing homosexuality other than homophobia.

No. Homophobia is an extreme aversion or disgust to homosexuals. I simply don't support gay rights. There is a big difference.

[Dangelia]

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

[Salandriagado]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

Contradiction found. By way of comparison: "I'm not racist, I just want black people to be legally inferior to white people, and denied basic human rights".

Marriage is an act created by man. As such, all deserve to have marriage regardless of sexuality.

No. Marriage is union between man and woman blessed by God.

Marriage predates your religion. What the fuck gives you the right to dictate what is and isn't marriage?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

In Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iran, and the Sudan, people are killed for having sexual relations with another man; do you support that? Do you support violence and government condoned genocide?

No. And don't do that to me. Just because I don't support gay rights, doesn't mean that I support violence and genocide. That is a great leap that has no basis.

Considering the fact that you support jailing people for having sex with someone of the same sex, it ain't to far fetched to assume that you would support genocide of homosexuals. Seriously, this is beyond marriage; people get thrown in jail for fucking another man. How the hell can you possibly support something as backward and barbaric as politically repressing people for sexual orientation? That is far beyond simple conservatism.

[AiliailiA]

How so? Please do elaborate.

I don't support gay rights. I'm conservative though, I'm not homophobic. Nations and people are accepting gay rights, and finally, we have two nations keeping marriage as it is meant to be. One man and one woman.

"I'm not homophobic, I just want to violate their rights".

Marriage is barely relevant, when the issue is legal penalties for sex itself.

[Northfront]

If more than 50% of Indians think that gays should stay in the closet. Then they stay in the closet. That's democracy.

This way of thinking is very strange indeed; according to your reasoning, if more than 50% of the inhabitants of a nation vote for a thing, then it should be implemented irrelevant of how destructive it is?
If 51% of the people in a country voted tomorrow to launch a nuclear warfare, would it, according to your reasoning, be fair? What if 51% of people voted to start a genocide tomorrow; would it be "democracy" for you?

Yes. That would be democracy.