Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Auralia]

Incorrect in this case. SCOTUS does not have appelate jurisdiction over the determinations of state codes and laws, only federal ones.

You might be right about that, actually.

[The Black Forrest]

When the bakers ability to worship and go to places of worship...

Yeah, religious freedom is much broader than that.

Then what is the rational basis for discrimination?

So what religion do you follow?

[Auralia]

Name one. This isn't a hard question.

If it is as common as you're indicating, and requires protection because it serves a public interest to protect, you should be able to name a few examples.

We don't protect people's religious interest in shooting black people, so you're going to need to be specific.

Conscientious objection to military service? The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals? The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Name one. This isn't a hard question.

If it is as common as you're indicating, and requires protection because it serves a public interest to protect, you should be able to name a few examples.

We don't protect people's religious interest in shooting black people, so you're going to need to be specific.

Conscientious objection to military service? The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals? The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

The first two don't have anything to do with this case, and are red herrings.

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

[Mavorpen]

Conscientious objection to military service? The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals? The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

The first doesn't infringe upon anyone else's rights. The second needs a source, since the Supreme Court ruled someone using illicit drugs in a religious ritual can be prosecuted. The third is clearly bullshit.

[Mavorpen]

Conscientious objection to military service? The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals? The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

The first two don't have anything to do with this case, and are red herrings.

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

I do like how you explicitly asked for an example that requires the refusal of service and he gave you two that has nothing to do with that.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The first two don't have anything to do with this case, and are red herrings.

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

I do like how you explicitly asked for an example that requires the refusal of service and he gave you two that has nothing to do with that.

Well, if you're going to argue like a squirrel, go whole hog.

[Auralia]

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

The baker's religion, for one.

[The Black Forrest]

Name one. This isn't a hard question.

If it is as common as you're indicating, and requires protection because it serves a public interest to protect, you should be able to name a few examples.

We don't protect people's religious interest in shooting black people, so you're going to need to be specific.

Conscientious objection to military service?

This is not solely religious based and if often claimed in times of war. I remember one such claim was made and yet the person claiming it trained as a sniper. The claim failed.

The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals?

Hey now. I just have to claim Religion for using Heroin?

The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

I must of missed the part where Jesus said don't bake for gays. Can you name the verse?

[Auralia]

The second needs a source, since the Supreme Court ruled someone using illicit drugs in a religious ritual can be prosecuted.

Not under the federal RFRA; that's why it was passed.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

The baker's religion, for one.

He's Christian, self-declared.

Chapter and verse where selling a cake to someone is a problem.

[The Liberated Territories]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to. Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

[Norstal]

The third is not a religion's conviction that has been named, unless you can declare which religion has a problem with baking cakes for gay people.

The baker's religion, for one.

There's no religion in the world that forbids selling cakes to gays.

[The Emerald Dawn]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to. Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

The business has responsibilities, as well as rights.

Funny thing how that always gets lost with people who argue from that standpoint.

[The Black Forrest]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to.

Did he get paid?

Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

Wait he can't bake? Who is preventing him from baking?

Contract? Did his contract say no faggots?

[Norstal]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to. Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

You mean the contract where I let the businesses use up my tax dollars by using the roads and sidewalks in front of them?

[The Emerald Dawn]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to.

Did he get paid?

Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

Wait he can't bake? Who is preventing him from baking?

Contract? Did his contract say no faggots?

Nobody reads the EULA.

[The Black Forrest]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to. Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

You mean the contract where I let the businesses use up my tax dollars by using the roads and sidewalks in front of them?

Stop oppressing his discrimination!!!! Think of the poor Christians.

[Tekania]

Incorrect in this case. SCOTUS does not have appelate jurisdiction over the determinations of state codes and laws, only federal ones.

You might be right about that, actually.

Indeed, while the people relating to the NM case have filed for a writ of certiorari.... I can pretty much guarantee that SCOTUS will not grant it. While I have no seen their writ.... there is pretty much no grounds they could use which would make SCOTUS grant the writ. The ruling does not violate established precedent.... assuming they used reasons I could think of off the top of my head (1st Amendment, Federal RFRA, etc).

[Tekania]

Name one. This isn't a hard question.

If it is as common as you're indicating, and requires protection because it serves a public interest to protect, you should be able to name a few examples.

We don't protect people's religious interest in shooting black people, so you're going to need to be specific.

Conscientious objection to military service? The use of certain controlled substances in religious rituals? The refusal to bake a wedding cake for a gay marriage?

1st and second is covered under federal laws, third is not.

[Mavorpen]

The second needs a source, since the Supreme Court ruled someone using illicit drugs in a religious ritual can be prosecuted.

Not under the federal RFRA; that's why it was passed.

In other words, someone using illicit drugs in a religious ritual can be prosecuted. Thanks for agreeing with me.

[The Black Forrest]

Did he get paid?



Wait he can't bake? Who is preventing him from baking?

Contract? Did his contract say no faggots?

Nobody reads the EULA.

If they would stop writing it with frosting. You just can't help running your finger through it before finish reading it.

[Othelos]

Still waiting on an answer.

Of course it's relevant, because we're trying to balance competing rights: freedom of religion and the state's interest in ensuring equal access to services. Limited private sector discrimination does have a significant negative impact on the right to equal access to services.

What exactly do you mean by "limited"?

[Tekania]

The Baker is bigoted, yes, but it's perfectly in his right to discriminate where he believes his assets to go to. Civil rights my foot - what about business rights? Is the contract not sacred?

I keep seeing people come in saying he was within his rights to do this, and yet, clearly by law he was not.

You might as well be arguing Jeffery Dahmer was within his right to kill guys and stick their body parts in his freezer... it's has the same validity.

[Auralia]

The baker's religion, for one.

He's Christian, self-declared.

Chapter and verse where selling a cake to someone is a problem.

Doesn't matter. He doesn't have to provide a theological basis for his beliefs. All that matters is their sincerity.