Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Pandeeria]

Sweden's actually at the forefront of Same sex rights.

Which is exactly the problem.

It's not a problem at all.

[Vareiln]

Sweden's actually at the forefront of Same sex rights.

Which is exactly the problem.

Given how well their economy is doing, and, well, how well Sweden is doing overall, I see no problems with anything involving Sweden.

[Blasveck]

Sweden's actually at the forefront of Same sex rights.

Which is exactly the problem.

Why?

Sweden seems to be doing just fine. It's not all fire an brimstone like anti-LGBT folks make it out to be.

[Swedish Realm]

Northfront,
You keep saying that homosexuality isn't "normal," and I think in part this is because of how you are approaching the issue. I am of the opinion that all humans should be judged on the basis of being human, not on their biological sex. I'm sure you would agree that it is perfectly natural for female humans to be attracted to men. Doesn't that mean attraction to men is normal? It doesn't matter if the one experiencing the attraction is a male human. It is still normal!

Yeah, it is normal. I know it is not a choice, I just do not believe in the marriage. But being attracted to something that isnt a human, say an animal is not normal.

[Vareiln]

Northfront,
You keep saying that homosexuality isn't "normal," and I think in part this is because of how you are approaching the issue. I am of the opinion that all humans should be judged on the basis of being human, not on their biological sex. I'm sure you would agree that it is perfectly natural for female humans to be attracted to men. Doesn't that mean attraction to men is normal? It doesn't matter if the one experiencing the attraction is a male human. It is still normal!

Yeah, it is normal. I know it is not a choice, I just do not believe in the marriage. But being attracted to something that isnt a human, say an animal is not normal.

Well, it's a good thing the world doesn't revolve around your beliefs, eh?

[Swedish Realm]

Yeah, it is normal. I know it is not a choice, I just do not believe in the marriage. But being attracted to something that isnt a human, say an animal is not normal.

Well, it's a good thing the world doesn't revolve around your beliefs, eh?

Yup, because humans should be able to be in a relationship with a cow is completely normal right?

[Menassa]

Yeah, it is normal. I know it is not a choice, I just do not believe in the marriage. But being attracted to something that isnt a human, say an animal is not normal.

Well, it's a good thing the world doesn't revolve around your beliefs, eh?

Are you saying being attracted to animals, sexually, is normal?

[Pandeeria]

Well, it's a good thing the world doesn't revolve around your beliefs, eh?

Yup, because humans should be able to be in a relationship with a cow is completely normal right?

No.

[Swedish Realm]

Yup, because humans should be able to be in a relationship with a cow is completely normal right?

No.

Exactly.

[Ifreann]

Swedish Realm, you never actually explained why Jeff was allowed to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple that he would literally sell to anyone else for any other reason. Please elaborate on your point.

Also, would it be okay for a baker to refuse to sell a black individual any sort of cake except chocolate because "no [insert racial expletive] needs a white cake!" This kinda sounds like what you're saying.

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

One's religious beliefs are not a shield against one's responsibilities as a business owner. If he doesn't want to serve gay people, then he can shut down his shop.

[Blasveck]

No.

Exactly.

Are you seriously trying to imply that others here believe that?

Because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

[Liriena]

No.

Exactly.

-___-

There's a reason why relationships with non-humans tend to be banned: non-humans are not people in the eyes of the law. They can't consent.

Same-sex couples, however... yeah.

[Ifreann]

Exactly.

Are you seriously trying to imply that others here believe that?

Because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Gods, don't say that, you'll only encourage him.

[Swedish Realm]

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

One's religious beliefs are not a shield against one's responsibilities as a business owner. If he doesn't want to serve gay people, then he can shut down his shop.

Uh, no.

[Liriena]

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

One's religious beliefs are not a shield against one's responsibilities as a business owner. If he doesn't want to serve gay people, then he can shut down his shop.

And get a "straights only" NGO or church that sells cakes.

[Swedish Realm]

Exactly.

-___-

There's a reason why relationships with non-humans tend to be banned: non-humans are not people in the eyes of the law. They can't consent.

Same-sex couples, however... yeah.

I said that it homosexuality is normal, please read above.

[Vareiln]

Well, it's a good thing the world doesn't revolve around your beliefs, eh?

Are you saying being attracted to animals, sexually, is normal?

I'm referring to his statement against marriage equality.

[Ifreann]

One's religious beliefs are not a shield against one's responsibilities as a business owner. If he doesn't want to serve gay people, then he can shut down his shop.

Uh, no.

Care to elaborate?

[Liriena]

-___-

There's a reason why relationships with non-humans tend to be banned: non-humans are not people in the eyes of the law. They can't consent.

Same-sex couples, however... yeah.

I said that it homosexuality is normal, please read above.

Apologies.

Now...

[Menassa]

Are you saying being attracted to animals, sexually, is normal?

I'm referring to his statement against marriage equality.

Okay.

[Vareiln]

I said that it homosexuality is normal, please read above.

Apologies.

Now...

He's still against marriage equality, though.

[Swedish Realm]

Are you saying being attracted to animals, sexually, is normal?

I'm referring to his statement against marriage equality.

Then you should have elaborated.

[Erothin]

Swedish Realm, you never actually explained why Jeff was allowed to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple that he would literally sell to anyone else for any other reason. Please elaborate on your point.

Also, would it be okay for a baker to refuse to sell a black individual any sort of cake except chocolate because "no [insert racial expletive] needs a white cake!" This kinda sounds like what you're saying.

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

Except for the fact that marriage between two dogs also violates his religious beliefs and he was willing to sell a wedding cake for that purpose. Also you never explained what constitutes a wedding cake. Would he be within his rights to refuse to serve them a tiered cake because it is too "wedding like"?

My family has always referred to vanilla cake as white cake... Maybe it's a local thing? My point still stands, you can't refuse to sell someone a specific product, be it for weird racial reasons, religious reasons, or otherwise, any more then you can refuse to sell them anything at all.

Since you don't like my chocolate cake analogy, let's pick another analogy. Suppose I go into a video game store and grab a copy of Grand Theft Auto. The business owner then snatches the game from me and says I can buy any of the "girl games" but he's not going to sell me GTA because it's "not meant for girls." By your argument this would be okay since he is willing to sell me video games, just not games meant for men.

[Blekksprutia]

darn computerness messing up my post

[Pandeeria]

No.

Exactly.

What do you mean exactly?

Is being sexually attracted to an animal natural? Yes. Is it normal? No.

Is being sexually attracted to a member of the same sex natural? Yes. Is it normal? Yes.

Questions?