Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Oneracon]

What about Europe? That is an extremely old culture: http://www.stonewall.org.uk/documents/s ... hs_web.pdf
Please stop moving the goalposts. Also, merely saying a nation doesn't provide rights for its LGBT populace is not "proof" of a civilized culture (then again, the term itself is nebulous.)

I don't know where you're sourcing your facts for your argument. You merely use the lack of rights to prove your argument, which it certainly fails at providing. Culture may change, but facts and reality do not.

Western Europe is very much like USA.

In Europe I think the Russians have the most rational approach on homosexualism.

They do not hunt them or kill them like the muslims do. But they do not allow pro gay people to spread the propaganda.

The idea that people should not be discriminated against, such harmful propaganda.

That would mean there is a chance of children learning that discrimination based on sexual orientation is just as idiotic as discrimination based on hair colour, left-handedness, or sex... well at least for the children that aren't forcibly removed from their loving families and placed in orphanages by the State.

[East Ormania]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

[Othelos]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

The baker is free to not serve people if he doesn't like them. But if it's only because the customer is gay, black, or a woman, it's discrimination, which is illegal.

[Ifreann]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants,

No he doesn't. No he doesn't. No he doesn't.

[Starkiller101]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

So the baker should be able to serve anyone he want. Let put an example a black couple walks in and he says that he don't want their kind here. Is that discrimination yes so owners should have that right because it is discrimination.

[East Ormania]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

The baker is free to not serve people if he doesn't like them. But if it's only because the customer is gay, black, or a woman, it's discrimination, which is illegal.

Wich makes it tricky.
What if a guy refuses to serve a black guy because he's black, but on court he states it was because the guy was annoying?

[Ifreann]

The baker is free to not serve people if he doesn't like them. But if it's only because the customer is gay, black, or a woman, it's discrimination, which is illegal.

Wich makes it tricky.
What if a guy refuses to serve a black guy because he's black, but on court he states it was because the guy was annoying?

Gosh, I guess there's have to be a trial or something.

[Dyakovo]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

Wrong.

[East Ormania]

Wich makes it tricky.
What if a guy refuses to serve a black guy because he's black, but on court he states it was because the guy was annoying?

Gosh, I guess there's have to be a trial or something.

Could you present you opinions on why the couple was right? I need to form an opinion.

[Jormengand]

Gosh, I guess there's have to be a trial or something.

Could you present you opinions on why the couple was right? I need to form an opinion.

The couple was right because the baker admitted the reason he wasn't serving them was due to your sexuality, and because you're not allowed to do that.

[East Ormania]

Could you present you opinions on why the couple was right? I need to form an opinion.

The couple was right because the baker admitted the reason he wasn't serving them was due to your sexuality, and because you're not allowed to do that.

Does anyone in this thread is actually against the couple?

If not, im' inclined to, as always, defend them for their LGBT rights and whatnot.

[Dyakovo]

Gosh, I guess there's have to be a trial or something.

Could you present you opinions on why the couple was right? I need to form an opinion.

Because discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal in Colorado.

[Jormengand]

Does anyone in this thread is actually against the couple?

Yes, for the usual reasons of "The bible says it's wrong!" (It doesn't) and "It's a mental illness!" (It isn't.)

[Gauthier]

I've never heard of someone ordering a baked gay couple, but IMO if someone wants a baked gay couple, they should be served a baked gay couple...

It's Colorado. You *can* serve them a baked gay couple with effort.

[The Black Forrest]

This is a tricky one. The Baker DOES have the rights to serve whomever he wants, but it is also a preconception not to serve them.

Nope. Descrimination is not a right.

He can refuse service if the gay couple wanted changes he didn't like (for example a phallus on the cake) or they wanted it free or they harassing other customers being drunk, etc., etc.

Being gay isn't a right for refusal of service at a bakery.....

[Ifreann]

Gosh, I guess there's have to be a trial or something.

Could you present you opinions on why the couple was right? I need to form an opinion.

Sorry, I'm not feeling very inclined to repeat myself to save you the trouble of reading the thread before posting in it.

[Swedish Realm]

How we make our cakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npMLmn_AM-Q

[Erothin]

Jeff said he would provide them with anything in the shop, just not a wedding cake.

This doesn't make sense... What constitutes a wedding cake? Would he have refused to sell them any tiered cakes because it was "too wedding like"? Could they not request ones with frosting flowers? I mean he may have made a particular cake with weddings in mind, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't sell it to some wealthy person who wanted a tired birthday cake. I am absolutely certain he would have sold this "wedding cake" for ANY event other then a same-sex wedding, as long as the customer was willing to pay. If fact, he was willing to sell said cake for a dog's wedding, so yes, he would! He can't pretend that specific cake is for Biblically valid weddings only. It is clearly not.

Swedish Realm, you never actually explained why Jeff was allowed to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple that he would literally sell to anyone else for any other reason. Please elaborate on your point.

Also, would it be okay for a baker to refuse to sell a black individual any sort of cake except chocolate because "no [insert racial expletive] needs a white cake!" This kinda sounds like what you're saying.

[Swedish Realm]

This doesn't make sense... What constitutes a wedding cake? Would he have refused to sell them any tiered cakes because it was "too wedding like"? Could they not request ones with frosting flowers? I mean he may have made a particular cake with weddings in mind, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't sell it to some wealthy person who wanted a tired birthday cake. I am absolutely certain he would have sold this "wedding cake" for ANY event other then a same-sex wedding, as long as the customer was willing to pay. If fact, he was willing to sell said cake for a dog's wedding, so yes, he would! He can't pretend that specific cake is for Biblically valid weddings only. It is clearly not.

Swedish Realm, you never actually explained why Jeff was allowed to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple that he would literally sell to anyone else for any other reason. Please elaborate on your point.

Also, would it be okay for a baker to refuse to sell a black individual any sort of cake except chocolate because "no [insert racial expletive] needs a white cake!" This kinda sounds like what you're saying.

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

[Mavorpen]

Swedish Realm, you never actually explained why Jeff was allowed to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple that he would literally sell to anyone else for any other reason. Please elaborate on your point.

Also, would it be okay for a baker to refuse to sell a black individual any sort of cake except chocolate because "no [insert racial expletive] needs a white cake!" This kinda sounds like what you're saying.

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

Why should we?

You can't control your race anymore than you can control your sexuality.

[Gauthier]

Not at all there is no such thing as a "White Cake" and that is different than sexual orientation, so to all of you....stop using race as an analogy for sexual orientation. Anyway, the belief of gay marriage obviously violates his religion, giving him right to deny serving them a WEDDING cake.

Why should we?

You can't control your race anymore than you can control your sexuality.

Yet white couples are allowed to order chocolate cake all the time. Double standards!

[Swedish Realm]

Why should we?

You can't control your race anymore than you can control your sexuality.

Yet white couples are allowed to order chocolate cake all the time. Double standards!

Really? The fact that you believe that to be a proper analogy blows my mind.

[Swedish Realm]

Yeah, that I can agree with. Sweden needs help.

Sweden's actually at the forefront of Same sex rights.

Which is exactly the problem.

[Erothin]

Northfront,
You keep saying that homosexuality isn't "normal," and I think in part this is because of how you are approaching the issue. I am of the opinion that all humans should be judged on the basis of being human, not on their biological sex. I'm sure you would agree that it is perfectly natural for female humans to be attracted to men. Doesn't that mean attraction to men is normal? It doesn't matter if the one experiencing the attraction is a male human. It is still normal!

[The Black Forrest]

Sweden's actually at the forefront of Same sex rights.

Which is exactly the problem.

It's hardly a problem.

Well?, unless you are worried about getting the gay.