Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Jormengand]

by saying you would you are lying to yourself.

I hate to take this out of an otherwise-reasonable argument, but that's kinda fallacious assuming that someone's "Lying to themselves." How do you know that any more than they do?

[Liriena]

That is a thought in your head and has nothing to do with reality.

Homosexuality is not a mental problem that limits your life. You may ask the world's leading medical and psychological organizations for further education on the subject.

It not only limits, but in severe cases ends the life. Anal sex does not produce new life. At least not new human life. Maybe some new STDs.

It sometimes feels that all the pro gay people are high on weed or why you fight against the facts of life?

Wow... I'm not touching this post with a ten-foot pole.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

[Northfront]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay. And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

[Jormengand]

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Wait, we're avoiding the facts? Really now?

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

Well, what country do you live in?

In another thread, I showed that the majority of people were in favour of gay marriage. Clearly, they accept homosexuality as normal, though I suppose you are technically right here as I doubt that they are "Indoctrinated" to do so.

[Mavorpen]

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

None.

Since nations don't determine what a "mental illness" is.

[The Holy Therns]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay. And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

I think it would really be in your interest not to continue this line of thought, dear.

[Orham]

No, seriously. There hasn't been a single solid argument against the ordinance which requires public accommodations to serve all people without regard to their membership in protected classes. I mean, here's a survey of the crap we've dealt with so far:

-The bakery is private property, it should be operated however the baker pleases. <----Wrong.
-There is no compelling state interest in preventing discrimination based on membership in protected classes. <----Wrong.
-Licensing standards are slavery. <---What?
-Licensing standards are a government conspiracy. <----WHAT?
-The market will correct itself if we only let it do as it will. <----Doesn't seem to be the case as per Gauthier's note on another cake shop.
-Refusal to perform female circumcisions based on cultural background is acceptable, but this isn't? Hypocrisy. <----Strawman.

Seriously, opposition team. It's embarrassing at this point.

[Northfront]

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay. And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

I think it would really be in your interest not to continue this line of thought, dear.

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

[Jormengand]

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

You can have a differing opinion, you just have to have a differing opinion nicely.

I, for one, would love you to stay at least long enough to see the truth of things.

[The Holy Therns]

I think it would really be in your interest not to continue this line of thought, dear.

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

Or I could, for instance, have implied that since you were just warned, cooling it might be prudent. But if you choose to read completely unrelated things in that statement, feel free.

[Liriena]

I think it would really be in your interest not to continue this line of thought, dear.

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

Oh, they are most certainly welcome, so long as they are able and willing to express their beliefs and argue for them in a tasteful fashion.

[The Black Forrest]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

We know what you meant.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

It doesn't matter if "you feel" it. The moment you suggest impaired thought; you are heading into mod hammer time. Keep in mind. Attack the post; not the poster(s).

What facts are we avoiding?

You know gay people? Good for you. Let's look at this comment in another way.

I am not racist; I have black friends.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay.

Errr? All gay people I know are pro-gay.

And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

And your point is?

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

You loose a great deal of credibility when talking about a mental disease. But to answer your question. Look towards nature. It exists.

Most of the population doesn't really care. They aren't spending their days concerned over what gays might be doing.

If you get down to it; most of the population has been indoctrinated to think homosexuals are a bad thing.

Finally, I am taking you as a Christian. Are you? I say that because of your use of "ism"

[Norstal]

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

You can have a differing opinion, you just have to have a differing opinion nicely.

Well, no. His opinion is just factually wrong.

[Ifreann]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

There is nothing normal about trying to deny the equality and basic humanity of gay people. It's an outdated position that will eventually be consigned forever to the pages of history.

[Jormengand]

You can have a differing opinion, you just have to have a differing opinion nicely.

Well, no. His opinion is just factually wrong.

I meant from a moderation/warning perspective, not a being right one.

[The Black Forrest]

I think it would really be in your interest not to continue this line of thought, dear.

So this is a pro gay site that has no room for differing opinions?

For example are most of the Russians and muslim people not welcome here? Not to mention Africa?

Pro gay site? It's a debate site. The site doesn't have an agenda on such issues. It's your bad argument which is the problem.

[Liriena]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts.

In other words, you resorted to an argumentum ad hominem that was based on false premises.

Seriously I know gay people.

Yet, clearly, you know nothing about them.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

Nations don't determine what constitutes a mental illness. Scientific organizations do, and the overwhelming majority of the world's scientific organizations do not consider homosexuality to be a mental illness. The general public's opinion is irrelevant, since the general public tends not to be the most qualified to speak on matters of mental health.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Let's get back on topic. Northfront is not the topic of this thread.

Opinions do not have to be factual. They can be based on anything, as an opinion. They do, however, need to be framed in a way that does not break site rules. Non-factual opinions are not actionable.

Hope this clarifies somewhat - kindly move on, thanks.

[Kelinfort]

Northfront: The trolling stops, now. You've made several extremely inappropriate comments in here, involving 'gays must be on drugs', 'gays have a mental illness', 'gays only shop where they can sue' and they are all out of line. *** Warned *** on account. You're free to have your opinion, but when posting on our forums, you had best have a care in how you express it.

This goes for everyone involved. Attack the post, not the poster.

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay. And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx these are facts
And the facts disprove your second argument: it is normal.

[Dyakovo]

Opinions do not have to be factual. They can be based on anything, as an opinion.

It certainly helps the strength of the argument though...

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Opinions do not have to be factual. They can be based on anything, as an opinion.

It certainly helps the strength of the argument though...

Well yes, but we can't moderate that sort of thing. People can be as wrong as they like, so long as they do it politely.

[Dyakovo]

It certainly helps the strength of the argument though...

Well yes, but we can't moderate that sort of thing. People can be as wrong as they like, so long as they do it politely.

Kind of a shame at times...

[Northfront]

I never said that gays must be on drugs.

I said that it feels that pro gay people are high, because of the way I feel they avoid the facts. Seriously I know gay people.

Gay does not necessarily mean pro gay. And most pro gay people are not homosexual.

About the mental illness, what nation's rules and classifications we are using here? I think majority of earth's population still are not indoctrinated to accept homosexualism as anything normal.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx these are facts
And the facts disprove your second argument: it is normal.

American site.

Swim across the ocean and you have different facts and reality. American culture is one of the youngest and in some ways craziest and decadent cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Asia

[Mavorpen]

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx these are facts
And the facts disprove your second argument: it is normal.

American site.

Swim across the ocean and you have different facts and reality. American culture is one of the youngest and in some ways craziest and decadent cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Asia

So basically, it's normal. Got it.