Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Hathradic States]

Mooseburgers, then.

Regardless, no Christian who has read their Bible should argue against gay marriage. Muslims and Jews might have an argument against it in their respective theocracies, but anybody who believes the New Testament should know that the Law doesn't apply to Christians. Why else is it not required of good Christian parents to cut off the tip of their young boys dick, and why they are allowed to eat catfish, pork, and cheeseburgers?

Mooseburgers, I am going to keep that around somewhere

Anyway, yeah I have read the New testament and parts of the old testament. That is their choice such foods, I do not like many of those, I do like cheese though.

You missed the point. My point here is that nobody who calls themselves a Christian should oppose homosexuality. Their fucking holy book outright says that all are God's children and all are to be loved.

EDIT: Had to fix a couple typos

[Salandriagado]

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Chapter and verse.

[Erothin]

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man. It doesn't say a thing about marriage or lesbian relations of any sort.

And the cake doesn't support anything. Last I checked, weddings are not only valid if cake is served durring them. The couple would be able to get married without the cake or not. The experience would simply be less pleasant. Cakes are not marriage officials, they are food. As I'm assuming the couple only intends to eat the cake and serve it to guests, the cake has no part in their supposed "perversion." Frankly, it is none of the baker's business what sort of event the cake is for.

[Sahrani DR]

If we tolerate intollerance, we destroy tollerance.

[Jormengand]

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Does it?

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man.

Does it?

[Salandriagado]

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man. It doesn't say a thing about marriage or lesbian relations of any sort.

And the cake doesn't support anything. Last I checked, weddings are not only valid if cake is served durring them. The couple would be able to get married without the cake or not. The experience would simply be less pleasant. Cakes are not marriage officials, they are food. As I'm assuming the couple only intends to eat the cake and serve it to guests, the cake has no part in their supposed "perversion." Frankly, it is none of the baker's business what sort of event the cake is for.

It doesn't prohibit that for the vast majority of people either.

[Erothin]

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man.

Does it?

My apologies, I should have said "at most it only prohibits a man having anal sex with another man." I think there is plenty of support for that translation, as horrible as it may be.

[Salandriagado]

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man.
Does it?

My apologies, I should have said "at most it only prohibits a man having anal sex with another man." I think there is plenty of support for that translation, as horrible as it may be.

Even if you take that translation, it still doesn't apply to anyone who isn't Jewish.

[Shadeland]

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Does it?

Wrong. The only thing the Bible prohibits is a man having anal sex with another man.

Does it?

From what I read, the Bible endorsed gay marriage with David there.

[Northfront]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

[Blasveck]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

Backfire?

In what ways?

I mean, surely anti-discrimination laws haven't backfired on black folks.

Why would they in this case?

[Jormengand]

These things will backfire on gays.

How so?

Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

What, forcing you not to treat us like shit? Why, do we not have that right? (Hint: we do.)

[Erothin]

I already explained this, you weren't paying attention. This analogy is false as the baker is completely within his rights to decide what services he provides, just not what customers he serves. A baker can absolutely refuse to bake swastica cookies. This baker can absolutely refuse to put male-male toppers on his cakes. Neither can refuse to provide what services, cookies, cakes, etc. they DO provide to all customers who ask for them. This isn't difficult to understand.

Jeff said he would provide them with anything in the shop, just not a wedding cake.

This doesn't make sense... What constitutes a wedding cake? Would he have refused to sell them any tiered cakes because it was "too wedding like"? Could they not request ones with frosting flowers? I mean he may have made a particular cake with weddings in mind, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't sell it to some wealthy person who wanted a tired birthday cake. I am absolutely certain he would have sold this "wedding cake" for ANY event other then a same-sex wedding, as long as the customer was willing to pay. If fact, he was willing to sell said cake for a dog's wedding, so yes, he would! He can't pretend that specific cake is for Biblically valid weddings only. It is clearly not.

[Kelinfort]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

Ah, Northfront. If you were discriminated against by a business, you'd be mad too.

[Erothin]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

No such thing as normal people.

[Northfront]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

Ah, Northfront. If you were discriminated against by a business, you'd be mad too.

If someone discriminated me I probably would not want to buy anything from them. There is lots of businesses to choose from.

Gay people seems to choose to buy from businesses they can sue.

That is sick. People will not tolerate it forever.

[Jormengand]

Gay people seems to choose to buy from businesses they can sue.

As evidenced by the obvious trend in similar occurrences which you are about to source for us.

[Kelinfort]

Ah, Northfront. If you were discriminated against by a business, you'd be mad too.

If someone discriminated me I probably would not want to buy anything from them. There is lots of businesses to choose from.

Gay people seems to choose to buy from businesses they can sue.

That is sick. People will not tolerate it forever.

Right, people will not tolerate discrimination forever, ergo lawsuits against discriminatory businesses.

Not only are you stereotyping, but this is only one lawsuit...this isn't happening every day.

[Dyakovo]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

What is being forced on "normal" people?

[Northfront]

Sick world.

These things will backfire on gays. Stop forcing that thing on normal people.

No such thing as normal people.

That is a thought in your head and has nothing to do with reality.

I consider myself normal without any mental problems that limit my life, like being gay.

[Jormengand]

I consider myself normal without any mental problems that limit my life, like being gay.

You are, of course, going to cite a source showing that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

[Liriena]

I consider myself normal without any mental problems that limit my life, like being gay.

That is a thought in your head and has nothing to do with reality.

Homosexuality is not a mental problem that limits your life. You may ask the world's leading medical and psychological organizations for further education on the subject.

[Blasveck]

Ah, Northfront. If you were discriminated against by a business, you'd be mad too.

If someone discriminated me I probably would not want to buy anything from them. There is lots of businesses to choose from.

Gay people seems to choose to buy from businesses they can sue.

That is sick. People will not tolerate it forever.

People have tolerated anti-discrimination laws against black folks.

They will with gay folks.

[Dyakovo]

No such thing as normal people.

That is a thought in your head and has nothing to do with reality.

I consider myself normal without any mental problems that limit my life, like being gay.

Being homosexual is not a mental problem, nor is it any more limiting than being heterosexual.

[Erothin]

No such thing as normal people.

That is a thought in your head and has nothing to do with reality.

I consider myself normal without any mental problems that limit my life, like being gay.

Considering the incidence of depression and anxiety disorders, I'd say mental illness is pretty "normal." Or do you define "normal" as something other then common? If you define "normal" as "perfect health" then I repeat, there is no normal.