Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Swedish Realm]

No, I didnt say because Religion, I said that he puts gay marriage over Religion, just like putting Religion over Gay Marriage is also Bias, eitherway is bias. And his religion is being discriminated, he is being forced to make a cake for Homosexuals.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

[Divair]

Irrelevant. You don't get to do as you please because you founded a business.

Relevant, actually. And that is what needs to be changed.

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

[Swedish Realm]

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

[Swedish Realm]

Relevant, actually. And that is what needs to be changed.

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Then do not speak to me. Yeah, you can do that. I may be Swedish, but I still can argue against laws.

[Ifreann]

Certainly you have stated that there is bias. I've been asking for an explanation though, which you've yet to provide.

Putting Sexual Orientation over Religion, do you want me to say it again?

You can say it until you're blue in the face, that won't make it true. I've already offered suggestions as to you could demonstrate this bias, if it exists. That you haven't taken me up on it rather suggests that you're full of shit.

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It prohibits discrimination based on religion, yes. From the law's point of view, however, religion has no fundamental value. To claim that the ruling was biased "because religion" isn't evidence.

No, I didnt say because Religion, I said that he puts gay marriage over Religion, just like putting Religion over Gay Marriage is also Bias, eitherway is bias. And his religion is being discriminated, he is being forced to make a cake for Homosexuals.

He isn't being discriminated against at all. All such businesses are subject to the same laws.

[Divair]

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Then do not speak to me. Yeah, you can do that. I may be Swedish, but I still can argue against laws.

There's nothing convincing about your argument. You hold no evidence, nor any background that is worth considering. So why should anyone care?

[Salandriagado]

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

No more so than a member of a death cult is having their religion discriminated against by being prevented from murdering people.

[Erothin]

A firefighter being forced to put out a fire at a Neo-Nazi meeting means it forces him to support it.

Seems legit.

Another very irrelevant and terrible analogy. Here is a better example, A baker forced to make Swastika cookies for a Neo-Nazi rally forces him to take part in it, despite the baker being a communist. There is a right, good analogy.

I already explained this, you weren't paying attention. This analogy is false as the baker is completely within his rights to decide what services he provides, just not what customers he serves. A baker can absolutely refuse to bake swastica cookies. This baker can absolutely refuse to put male-male toppers on his cakes. Neither can refuse to provide what services, cookies, cakes, etc. they DO provide to all customers who ask for them. This isn't difficult to understand.

[Hathradic States]

Relevant, actually. And that is what needs to be changed.

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either.

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Anyways, what I came here for: the most common verse that people use to argue that point is from the book of Leviticus, yes? Well, so is that whole section about what you can't eat, but I don't see Christians throwing a fucking fit over it when they scarf down their bacon cheeseburgers.

[Dyakovo]

Actually, no. Making a product for a homosexual is not prohibited in the Bible. In the New Testament, it preaches to love thy neighbor, be kind to others, don't judge others, and in one of my favorite verses, John 8:7, "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."" New International Version. Which basically means don't judge another person when you are not perfect yourself.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

The Bible says nothing about gay marriage. Also, no, the cake does not support gay marriage.

[Divair]

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either.

Because I have legal evidence.

[Swedish Realm]

Another very irrelevant and terrible analogy. Here is a better example, A baker forced to make Swastika cookies for a Neo-Nazi rally forces him to take part in it, despite the baker being a communist. There is a right, good analogy.

I already explained this, you weren't paying attention. This analogy is false as the baker is completely within his rights to decide what services he provides, just not what customers he serves. A baker can absolutely refuse to bake swastica cookies. This baker can absolutely refuse to put male-male toppers on his cakes. Neither can refuse to provide what services, cookies, cakes, etc. they DO provide to all customers who ask for them. This isn't difficult to understand.

Jeff said he would provide them with anything in the shop, just not a wedding cake.

[Dyakovo]

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Then do not speak to me. Yeah, you can do that. I may be Swedish, but I still can argue against laws.

Not very well.

[Swedish Realm]

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either.

Yeah, it may not be. But the bible prohibits gay marriage, and that is what this cake supports.

Anyways, what I came here for: the most common verse that people use to argue that point is from the book of Leviticus, yes? Well, so is that whole section about what you can't eat, but I don't see Christians throwing a fucking fit over it when they scarf down their bacon cheeseburgers.

I do not eat bacon cheeseburgers.

[Hathradic States]

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either.

Because I have legal evidence.

And he wants to change the law, with means he doesn't really need legal evidence. I think his opinion is bullshit, but his voice matters just as much as any other foreigners.

[Swedish Realm]

Then do not speak to me. Yeah, you can do that. I may be Swedish, but I still can argue against laws.

Not very well.

Not very well....in your opinion.

[Partybus]

I've never heard of someone ordering a baked gay couple, but IMO if someone wants a baked gay couple, they should be served a baked gay couple...

[Britanno]

Good, you should not be able to refuse service because of your discriminative beliefs.

[Hathradic States]

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either.



Anyways, what I came here for: the most common verse that people use to argue that point is from the book of Leviticus, yes? Well, so is that whole section about what you can't eat, but I don't see Christians throwing a fucking fit over it when they scarf down their bacon cheeseburgers.

I do not eat bacon cheeseburgers.

Mooseburgers, then.

Regardless, no Christian who has read their Bible should argue against gay marriage. Muslims and Jews might have an argument against it in their respective theocracies, but anybody who believes the New Testament should know that the Law doesn't apply to Christians. Why else is it not required of good Christian parents to cut off the tip of their young boys dick, and why they are allowed to eat catfish, pork, and cheeseburgers?

[Swedish Realm]

Good, you should not be able to refuse service because of your discriminative beliefs.

Jeff didn´t refuse service, though.

[Dyakovo]

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either..

Div actually understands the law. Also, he said nothing about ignoring SR's opinion because of not being American.

[Ifreann]

I already explained this, you weren't paying attention. This analogy is false as the baker is completely within his rights to decide what services he provides, just not what customers he serves. A baker can absolutely refuse to bake swastica cookies. This baker can absolutely refuse to put male-male toppers on his cakes. Neither can refuse to provide what services, cookies, cakes, etc. they DO provide to all customers who ask for them. This isn't difficult to understand.

Jeff said he would provide them with anything in the shop, just not a wedding cake.

And that kind of anti-gay discrimination is not permissible under Colorado law.

[Swedish Realm]

I do not eat bacon cheeseburgers.

Mooseburgers, then.

Regardless, no Christian who has read their Bible should argue against gay marriage. Muslims and Jews might have an argument against it in their respective theocracies, but anybody who believes the New Testament should know that the Law doesn't apply to Christians. Why else is it not required of good Christian parents to cut off the tip of their young boys dick, and why they are allowed to eat catfish, pork, and cheeseburgers?

Mooseburgers, I am going to keep that around somewhere

Anyway, yeah I have read the New testament and parts of the old testament. That is their choice such foods, I do not like many of those, I do like cheese though.

[Hathradic States]

Why should we care about yours, then? You aren't American, either..

Div actually understands the law. Also, he said nothing about ignoring SR's opinion because of not being American.

True, but he did bring it up:

Why should I care for your opinion on the matter? I value courts far more than you. Who are you? You're not even American.

[Dyakovo]

Good, you should not be able to refuse service because of your discriminative beliefs.

Jeff didn´t refuse service, though.

Yes, he did.