Judge orders Colorado baker to serve gay couples

[Menassa]

Does Christianity say a baker isn't allowed to sell cakes to gay couples?

No, it doesn't. Checkmate.

You're right, it doesn't but it stands against homosexual marriage. And guess what? He said he would sell them cakes, but said he wouldn't sell them a WEDDING CAKE.

Because doing that would stamp his 'approval' on their sinful wedding?

[Luveria]

Does Christianity say a baker isn't allowed to sell cakes to gay couples?

No, it doesn't. Checkmate.

You're right, it doesn't but it stands against homosexual marriage. And guess what? He said he would sell them cakes, but said he wouldn't sell them a WEDDING CAKE.

Which part of his religion says it's a sin for him to sell a wedding cake to gay couples? I'd like to see the bible verse specifying that, but I'm willing to guess the baker pulled it out of his ass.

[Geilinor]

Lololol sure. Christian Anarchists would like to have a word with you.

But....Christianity doesn't say that.

Christianity doesn't say discrimination is okay either.

[The Black Forrest]

The Bakers attorney put it down right. "If Jack can't make wedding cakes, he can't continue to support his family. And in order to make wedding cakes, Jack must violate his belief system. That is a reprehensible choice. It is antithetical to everything America stands for."

If Jack needs to make cakes to support his family and yet won't, then Jack is the problem.

He can find another line of work which won't interfere with his disgust of homosexuals.

[The Black Forrest]

It's a good thing no one asked you.

Because again, you have utterly no working knowledge of the relevant case law. No civil rights were broken. Get over it.

Well, your nation's civil rights act also protects people of religion and in this situation, his faith is being challenged and he cannot do anything about it.

His faith is weak.

[The Black Forrest]

Please explain how the judge is biased.

America's Civil Rights law defends religion and sexual orientation, and the man as a Christian does not want to violate his faith but is being forced to because of the Judge who is biased because he put Sexual Orientation over that of Religion. Just like putting Religion of Sexual Orientation would be biased, as well.

So where does it say don't make cake for homosexuals?

[The Black Forrest]

Baking a cake doesn't violate his faith.

No, it doesn't but baking for such a cause does in fact violate his faith.

Again, his faith is weak.

[Luveria]

America's Civil Rights law defends religion and sexual orientation, and the man as a Christian does not want to violate his faith but is being forced to because of the Judge who is biased because he put Sexual Orientation over that of Religion. Just like putting Religion of Sexual Orientation would be biased, as well.

So where does it say don't make cake for homosexuals?

"Thou shalt not bake cakes for homosexuals." - Homoronomy 3:16

[The Black Forrest]

How is serving a homosexual couple violating the Christian religion?

Serving homosexuals doesn't violate the Christian religion, but serving them a WEDDING CAKE does. I am going to quote this baker here...."I'll make you birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don't make cakes for same-sex weddings.", you're welcome. So there, he didn't refuse to serve them.

Ah no. They wanted a cake. He refused because of his disgust of homosexuals.

[The Black Forrest]

No, it doesn't. Nothing in Christianity prohibits baking a cake for a homosexual.

But Christianity prohibits Homosexual marriage, it's not just a cake, it's a fucking wedding cake.

Christianity changes. You want to talk about Leviticus?

It's a cake.

His faith is weak if can't make a cake.

How does homosexual marriage damage his "faith"

[Gauthier]

But Christianity prohibits Homosexual marriage, it's not just a cake, it's a fucking wedding cake.

Christianity changes. You want to talk about Leviticus?

It's a cake.

His faith is weak if can't make a cake.

How does homosexual marriage damage his "faith"

Because serving a wedding cake to a homosexual couple is the same as having an orgy with the couple. *nod*

[The Black Forrest]

What his customers do in their private lives doesn't matter.

It really shouldn't matter, but some people are very obsessed with what people do in their private lives.

Especially Christians.

[The Black Forrest]

Because gay people's dignity is not as important as that of ethnic or religious minorities.

It should be outlawed, like I said before, except when religion is involved.

Oh for the good ol' days of the Crusades and Inquisition.

[The Black Forrest]

Why?

Surely, people can live with their religion, that is the law they live by. Being a homosexual isn't a law to live by.

They can live their Religion. They just can't force it on others.

Being a homosexual isn't a law to live by? WTF are you talking about?

[Luveria]

Christianity changes. You want to talk about Leviticus?

It's a cake.

His faith is weak if can't make a cake.

How does homosexual marriage damage his "faith"

Because serving a wedding cake to a homosexual couple is the same as having an orgy with the couple. *nod*

No, but it will almost certainly lead to it, especially if the homosexuals are attractive... aren't you familiar with the Gateway Theory?

[The Black Forrest]

But why is religion an excuse? Sure, people have the right to believe in and abide by whatever religious doctrine and rituals they so desire... but there are certain boundaries. Religion is a private, personal matter, not an excuse for malicious behavior, least of all behaviour that affects the quality of life of others.

Religion still will come into life and business.

Like Praise the Lord Industries.

[The Black Forrest]

Because serving a wedding cake to a homosexual couple is the same as having an orgy with the couple. *nod*

No, but it will almost certainly lead to it, especially if the homosexuals are attractive... aren't you familiar with the Gateway Theory?

What if I know a very attractive lesbian? Does that make me gay?

[Gauthier]

No, but it will almost certainly lead to it, especially if the homosexuals are attractive... aren't you familiar with the Gateway Theory?

What if I know a very attractive lesbian? Does that make me gay?

If the couple asks you to join them for a threesome then they're just Anne Heching it.

[Conservative Conservationists]

A crime is a reflection of societies values. In some countries homosexual intercourse is a crime. It depends on an individuals ethical beliefs. If you bothered reading the whole post I did say "if operating in a country that does this". NS seems to approve of Uruguay legalizing pot. What is legal or illegal does not reflect it being a crime or not. The victim to is a matter of opinion as some pot smokers will seeks funds to pay for their habits or commit crimes whilst under the influence.

FGM can be seen as necessary for health reasons in order to reduce promiscuous behaviour which can lead to being diseased, reducing the chance of infection and widening the birth canal to help improve chances of survival during pregnancy.

The opposition against homosexual marriage is concerned about two things. Offending God and long term social breakdown. You have just demonstrated your inability to consider others beliefs. No one has argued in the example I gave, someone should be forced to provide the item. The refusal to partake is linked to your own values, not respect of individual choice.

There you go again, comparing gay equality to mutilation.

Its a point towards freedom to decide what ceremonies to support and be involved with. I personally would be willing to make a wedding cake for a gay couple but would not be willing to provide a surgical instrument for FGM. Its my own beliefs that would lead me to that.
Beyond that, I would support anyone's freedom to decide what ceremony to be involved with or not. Unfortunately some gay marriage supporters are so adamant on their beliefs that they will not listen and will not care about different opinions that they trample over.

[The Black Forrest]

There you go again, comparing gay equality to mutilation.

Its a point towards freedom to decide what ceremonies to support and be involved with. I personally would be willing to make a wedding cake for a gay couple but would not be willing to provide a surgical instrument for FGM. Its my own beliefs that would lead me to that.
Beyond that, I would support anyone's freedom to decide what ceremony to be involved with or not. Unfortunately some gay marriage supporters are so adamant on their beliefs that they will not listen and will not care about different opinions that they trample over.

Hmmm. Hetros can marry but you can not. Hetros can have a cake. you can not.

Why should anybody listen to that? He deserves to be trampled over.

His "faith" made him stupid. He might have a chance; if he agreed to the cake but disagreed what would go on the cake. He never gave that chance. NO CAKE FOR YOU right at the start.

[Conservative Conservationists]

Its a point towards freedom to decide what ceremonies to support and be involved with. I personally would be willing to make a wedding cake for a gay couple but would not be willing to provide a surgical instrument for FGM. Its my own beliefs that would lead me to that.
Beyond that, I would support anyone's freedom to decide what ceremony to be involved with or not. Unfortunately some gay marriage supporters are so adamant on their beliefs that they will not listen and will not care about different opinions that they trample over.

Hmmm. Hetros can marry but you can not. Hetros can have a cake. you can not.

Why should anybody listen to that? He deserves to be trampled over.

His "faith" made him stupid. He might have a chance; if he agreed to the cake but disagreed what would go on the cake. He never gave that chance. NO CAKE FOR YOU right at the start.

You must have a reading problem. I said I would be willing to make a cake for such a ceremony. Thank you for proving my point of people willing to trample over others.

[Dyakovo]

Does Christianity say a baker isn't allowed to sell cakes to gay couples?

No, it doesn't. Checkmate.

You're right, it doesn't but it stands against homosexual marriage.

No, it doesn't.

[Conservative Conservationists]

You're right, it doesn't but it stands against homosexual marriage.

No, it doesn't.

Corinthians 7:7-9
I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

"one of one kind and one of another" - Possibly referring to forced inter racial relations. Most likely between man and woman because as below. Mainly regarding premarital sex being wrong, but states different kinds

Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

AND

Romans 1:26-28
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

AND
Many others

The bible is very clear that homosexuality is bad and quite clear that marriage is between a man and a woman only.


Not believing in the bible is one thing that I personally agree with. But completely overlooking what it says without a remote reason for the argument is ridiculous.

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm. Hetros can marry but you can not. Hetros can have a cake. you can not.

Why should anybody listen to that? He deserves to be trampled over.

His "faith" made him stupid. He might have a chance; if he agreed to the cake but disagreed what would go on the cake. He never gave that chance. NO CAKE FOR YOU right at the start.

You must have a reading problem. I said I would be willing to make a cake for such a ceremony. Thank you for proving my point of people willing to trample over others.

Oh the victim card eh? Christians usually like to play that.

yes I love to trample the rights of Relgious people trying to force their ways on others. I really LOVE trampling Religious peoples rights to make others second class citizens.

[Conservative Conservationists]

You must have a reading problem. I said I would be willing to make a cake for such a ceremony. Thank you for proving my point of people willing to trample over others.

Oh the victim card eh? Christians usually like to play that.

yes I love to trample the rights of Relgious people trying to force their ways on others. I really LOVE trampling Religious peoples rights to make others second class citizens.

Lol, double. You are wrong once again. I dont believe in a God at all.
If you bothered reading any of my previous posts, you would have seen that.
You are an exemplary standard of someone that does not care about other people opinions and readily trample over them. This is the issue I have with forcing baker to make an item for a ceremony their faith is against.