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Lost heros wrote:

Blouman Empire wrote:76% are men, knew it was a sausage fest in here, I guess that's why we have so many circle jerks.

Wow, misunderstanding the definition of gender and stereotyping men in one post.

Luveria wrote:What is this... a gay/bi club? I wish.

Aurora Novus wrote:I don't now how beneficial it is for me to reply to a topic like this, given my views on gender...but, maybe I can share something useful. Given the choices, I would undoubtably identify as genderless. Though, if given the standard "male/female" choice of society, I would almost always pick female. I feel more associated with "feminine" things than "masculine" things. Furthermore, most of my friends, and all of my close friends, are women. In fact for me it has been something of a major issue, always feeling this wall of seperation from the people I am closest to. And it's been a rather painful experience for me, which may at least in part explain my deep hatred (I feel comfortable describing it as such) of sex and gender orientated thinking. My heart's true desire is to walk the line, so as to be able to fluidly move in and out of either social circle, and in effect, creating my own, unique circle. But in the event I cannot do that, I would surely wish to be on the side of those I long to be with the most. Something which has been denied to me, due to my sex, both by society at large, and in many cases even my own friends.


I detest gender. With every fiber of my being, I hate it. I hate the groupism. I hate the ostracization. I hate the pain. And I will never stop hating it.


Perhaps for some of you that will explain, in part, the reasons I've taken up the positions I have in previous debates.

Luveria wrote:

Nornia wrote:I am masculine

The question is;

Masculine male, masculine female, or masculine androgyne?

Conscentia wrote:

Luveria wrote:
The question is;

Masculine male, masculine female, or masculine androgyne?

No. The question is "what gender do you identify with?".
Masculine is a gender.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:No. The question is "what gender do you identify with?".
Masculine is a gender.

Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

Conscentia wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

Genders are stereotypes. Stereotypes associated with sexes up until relatively recently. Genders have become increasingly detached from sex as people who don't conform have been become more accepted, but refused to give up their labels.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Genders are stereotypes. Stereotypes associated with sexes up until relatively recently. Genders have become increasingly detached from sex as people who don't conform have been become more accepted, but refused to give up their labels.

Except that genders are observable brain structures, and stereotypes are the opinions of idiots.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Genders are stereotypes. Stereotypes associated with sexes up until relatively recently. Genders have become increasingly detached from sex as people who don't conform have been become more accepted, but refused to give up their labels.

Except that genders are observable brain structures, and stereotypes are the opinions of idiots.

Crownariam wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Except that genders are observable brain structures, and stereotypes are the opinions of idiots.

That's not very nice, and you have nothing to back it up as well. Well done. :|

Crownariam wrote:That's not very nice, and you have nothing to back it up as well. Well done. :|

Conscentia wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Except that genders are observable brain structures, and stereotypes are the opinions of idiots.

Sexual dimorphism isn't gender.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Sexual dimorphism isn't gender.

Of course not. Which is why it's a pity I'm not talking about anything of the sort.

Conscentia wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Of course not. Which is why it's a pity I'm not talking about anything of the sort.

If you aren't talking about sexual dimorphism in the brain, then I demand much sauce.

People who know what they're talking about wrote:Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person's genetic sex may hold the key to identifying transsexual people before puberty.

...

and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain

Aurora Novus wrote:I don't now how beneficial it is for me to reply to a topic like this, given my views on gender...but, maybe I can share something useful. Given the choices, I would undoubtably identify as genderless. Though, if given the standard "male/female" choice of society, I would almost always pick female. I feel more associated with "feminine" things than "masculine" things. Furthermore, most of my friends, and all of my close friends, are women. In fact for me it has been something of a major issue, always feeling this wall of seperation from the people I am closest to. And it's been a rather painful experience for me, which may at least in part explain my deep hatred (I feel comfortable describing it as such) of sex and gender orientated thinking. My heart's true desire is to walk the line, so as to be able to fluidly move in and out of either social circle, and in effect, creating my own, unique circle. But in the event I cannot do that, I would surely wish to be on the side of those I long to be with the most. Something which has been denied to me, due to my sex, both by society at large, and in many cases even my own friends.


I detest gender. With every fiber of my being, I hate it. I hate the groupism. I hate the ostracization. I hate the pain. And I will never stop hating it.


Perhaps for some of you that will explain, in part, the reasons I've taken up the positions I have in previous debates.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:No. The question is "what gender do you identify with?".
Masculine is a gender.

Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

Zottistan wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

The vocabulary used for this topic is nothing short of retarded, really. Using the same names for genders and sexes isn't helping to overcome the misconception that the two are the same thing, and frankly, it gets downright confusing.

Zottistan wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

The vocabulary used for this topic is nothing short of retarded, really. Using the same names for genders and sexes isn't helping to overcome the misconception that the two are the same thing, and frankly, it gets downright confusing.

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:If you aren't talking about sexual dimorphism in the brain, then I demand much sauce.

If anything, I'm talking about Gender dimorphism in the brain.

People who know what they're talking about wrote:Differences in the brain's white matter that clash with a person's genetic sex may hold the key to identifying transsexual people before puberty.

...

and the female-to-male transsexual people had white matter in these regions that resembled a male brain

Sauce and pasta, for your convenience.

Conscentia wrote:most likely

Jormengand wrote:

Conscentia wrote:most likely

I assume this means that you haven't got a source, and

Jormengand wrote:assume you know better than every psychologist in the world who knows what he's about on principle?

Conscentia wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

Genders are stereotypes. Stereotypes associated with sexes up until relatively recently. Genders have become increasingly detached from sex as people who don't conform have been become more accepted, but refused to give up their labels.

Conscentia wrote:

Jormengand wrote:I assume this means that you haven't got a source, and

Good. It's obvious that this is my hypothesis, which is what intended to present it as.
My sources would be the evidence you presented. Additional data collection is necessary to falsify or assert my hypothesis. But, I'm sure you're familiar with the workings of science...

Jormengand wrote:assume you know better than every psychologist in the world who knows what he's about on principle?

Every psychologist?
Please don't present thy own hypotheses as though they're universal consensus.

Zottistan wrote:

Jormengand wrote:Masculine is a gender stereotype. Male is a gender. Male is also a sex, which is a source of moderate confusion, but primarily a gender.

The vocabulary used for this topic is nothing short of retarded, really. Using the same names for genders and sexes isn't helping to overcome the misconception that the two are the same thing, and frankly, it gets downright confusing.

The Tundra wrote:

Conscentia wrote:Genders are stereotypes. Stereotypes associated with sexes up until relatively recently. Genders have become increasingly detached from sex as people who don't conform have been become more accepted, but refused to give up their labels.

that is masculine androgyne

Jormengand wrote:Except that they're not my own hypotheses, but the generally agreed conclusion from the facts.

Jormengand wrote:In any case, whatever you or I or anyone else thinks about the why, the what is that gender is almost irrevocably set in stone - or rather, in the brains of human beings.

Jormengand wrote:Thus, it is most certainly not just a stereotype, rendering your original statement demonstrably incorrect. If you wish to continue this banal line of thought about the whys and the wherefores, the wall is over there and is very interested in what you have to say - far more so than I am. I wished only to refute your obviously incorrect statement, and if you have no further thoughts of relevance, you are dismissed.

Conscentia wrote:

The Tundra wrote:that is masculine androgyne

That doesn't make sense. Androgynous refers to a mixing of masculine and feminine traits.