What gender do you identify with?

[Luveria]

This thread is disturbing. Gender and sex should go hand in hand, and this thread only highlights the disturbing fact that the world is becoming full of wackos who don't understand that boys have penises and girls have vaginas. This is basic biology! Having a penis and identifying as
"feminine" is insane. If your gender is opposite your sex, then you have some serious problems.

Oh and in case you were wondering by WHO standards, my sex is male and my gender is masculine.

Biology is about sex, not gender.

[Neutraligon]

This thread is disturbing. Gender and sex should go hand in hand, and this thread only highlights the disturbing fact that the world is becoming full of wackos who don't understand that boys have penises and girls have vaginas. This is basic biology! Having a penis and identifying as
"feminine" is insane. If your gender is opposite your sex, then you have some serious problems.

Oh and in case you were wondering by WHO standards, my sex is male and my gender is masculine.

Biology is about sex, not gender.

Again, I am not sure that is true, after all, every thought and feeling, any sense of self is created in the brain, which is a biological construct. Since that is the case, gender is biological.

[Cameroi]

THIS is a thread about what gender one identifies with.

THIS IS NOT a thread about unisex bathrooms. Take it elsewhere, it's been done to death, the threadjack stops now. Thanks.

this is in response to what?

[Neutraligon]

THIS is a thread about what gender one identifies with.

THIS IS NOT a thread about unisex bathrooms. Take it elsewhere, it's been done to death, the threadjack stops now. Thanks.

this is in response to what?

I think the posts were removed.

[Luveria]

Biology is about sex, not gender.

Again, I am not sure that is true, after all, every thought and feeling, any sense of self is created in the brain, which is a biological construct. Since that is the case, gender is biological.

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

[Cameroi]

this is in response to what?

I think the posts were removed.

ok. i guess that would explain.

[Neutraligon]

Again, I am not sure that is true, after all, every thought and feeling, any sense of self is created in the brain, which is a biological construct. Since that is the case, gender is biological.

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

But that identification is created within the brain. The constructs exist, but how one identifies is entirely created within the brain since the brain is a biological construct, how is it not biological.

[Luveria]

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

But that identification is created within the brain. The constructs exist, but how one identifies is entirely created within the brain.

Yes, but is that what "basic biology" is about? Or is "basic biology" about sex?

[Kybekistan]

THIS is a thread about what gender one identifies with.

THIS IS NOT a thread about unisex bathrooms. Take it elsewhere, it's been done to death, the threadjack stops now. Thanks.

this is in response to what?

There was an argument about unisex bathrooms. An idiot said they caused rape and blah blah, which sparked some outrage. BTW the thread is more about the difference between gender and sex, and informing people about that difference. Plus why can't a thread evolve with the conversation. But whatever. The argument probably would go no where. But more importantly, don't be chauvinistic pig. the end.

[Neutraligon]

But that identification is created within the brain. The constructs exist, but how one identifies is entirely created within the brain.

Yes, but is that what "basic biology" is about? Or is "basic biology" about sex?

I was specifically responding to your biology is about sex not about gender. As I said, I am not sure that is the case. a person whose body does not match the sex they were born with is biologically of one sex and biologically (due to the identification coming from the brain) of a specific gender.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

There was an argument about unisex bathrooms. An idiot said they caused rape and blah blah, which sparked some outrage. BTW the thread is more about the difference between gender and sex, and informing people about that difference. Plus why can't a thread evolve with the conversation. But whatever. The argument probably would go no where. But more importantly, don't be chauvinistic pig. the end.

*** Warned *** for flaming. Knock it off.

[Luveria]

Yes, but is that what "basic biology" is about? Or is "basic biology" about sex?

I was specifically responding to your biology is about sex not about gender. As I said, I am not sure that is the case. a person whose body does not match the sex they were born with is biologically of one sex and biologically (due to the identification coming from the brain) of a specific gender.

Then that backfires on people making the "biology" argument.

[Kybekistan]

There was an argument about unisex bathrooms. An idiot said they caused rape and blah blah, which sparked some outrage. BTW the thread is more about the difference between gender and sex, and informing people about that difference. Plus why can't a thread evolve with the conversation. But whatever. The argument probably would go no where. But more importantly, don't be chauvinistic pig. the end.

*** Warned *** for flaming. Knock it off.

Very sorry. Will stop. The guy just upset me. I will stop venting.

[Neutraligon]

I was specifically responding to your biology is about sex not about gender. As I said, I am not sure that is the case. a person whose body does not match the sex they were born with is biologically of one sex and biologically (due to the identification coming from the brain) of a specific gender.

Then that backfires on people making the "biology" argument.

Yes it does. I am more wondering why we allow such wording as biologically male. A person who identifies as a man, even if his body is that of a woman is still biologically a man.

[Luveria]

Then that backfires on people making the "biology" argument.

Yes it does. I am more wondering why we allow such wording as biologically male. A person who identifies as a man, even if his body is that of a woman is still biologically a man.

Bigotry I suppose.

[Pandeeria]

Again, I am not sure that is true, after all, every thought and feeling, any sense of self is created in the brain, which is a biological construct. Since that is the case, gender is biological.

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

Isn't it more of a psychological construct then a social one?

[Neutraligon]

Yes it does. I am more wondering why we allow such wording as biologically male. A person who identifies as a man, even if his body is that of a woman is still biologically a man.

Bigotry I suppose.

The problem is that wording affects culture and laws. By allowing such wording we are in some ways denigrating being trans.

[Jormengand]

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

Isn't it more of a psychological construct then a social one?

But constructs are immune to mind-affecting abilities!

...

I'll show myself out.

On a more serious note, it's kinda both, just in slightly different contexts.

[Capital Zealand]

This thread is disturbing¹. Gender and sex should go hand in hand², and this thread only highlights the disturbing fact that the world is becoming full of wackos³ who don't understand that boys have penises and girls have vaginas⁴. This is basic biology⁵! Having a penis and identifying as
"feminine" is insane⁶. If your gender is opposite your sex, then you have some serious problems⁷.

Oh and in case you were wondering by WHO standards, my sex is male and my gender is masculine⁸.

1. Why?
2. Why?
3. How?
4. Obvious.
5. Psychology.
6. Why?
7. Why?
8. So am I.

[Luveria]

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

Isn't it more of a psychological construct then a social one?

It's both, because a person's brain structure will determine which gender they identify as.

Bigotry I suppose.

The problem is that wording affects culture and laws. By allowing such wording we are in some ways denigrating being trans.

That reminds me of how in Canada transgender women are legally men unless they get SRS. Until then, all legal documents like their driver's license will say "male" unless they have gotten SRS. That is thanks to the people in this thread making the "gender = sex" arguments.

[Pandeeria]

This thread is disturbing. Gender and sex should go hand in hand, and this thread only highlights the disturbing fact that the world is becoming full of wackos who don't understand that boys have penises and girls have vaginas. This is basic biology! Having a penis and identifying as
"feminine" is insane. If your gender is opposite your sex, then you have some serious problems.

Oh and in case you were wondering by WHO standards, my sex is male and my gender is masculine.

Gender and sex are different. Hence, your entire argument/shpeel/whateverelseyouwanttocall it fell on it's self.

[Capital Zealand]

And gender is what someone identifies as. It's a social construct. Sex isn't.

Isn't it more of a psychological construct then a social one?

Gender identity is the psychological part and gender roles are the kawaii part.

[Crownariam]

Isn't it more of a psychological construct then a social one?

Gender identity is the psychological part and gender roles are the kawaii part.

Kawaii? What's that?

[Luveria]

Gender identity is the psychological part and gender roles are the kawaii part.

Kawaii? What's that?

From UD;

"1. Kawaii
An adjective in Japanese meaning " pretty; cute; lovely; charming; dear; darling; pet" It's stem is two kanji meaning "can love". It is commonly used by anime and manga fans.
Chibiusa-chan's new outfit is so kawaii!"

[Seriong]

I'm male, so far as anything is concerned, there may have been some identity issues, or feelings of being somewhat intergender, but such pursuits would be quite pointless.