Would you kill children to become smarter?

[Saint Kitten]

Actually I'm Saint Kitten. I was on my puppet and this popped up.

Well, welcome back to NSG then. You've missed a lot.

I think we can agree that this is much weirder then usual, even by NS standards

[Luziyca]

No. I'd rather sacrifice myself to protect children than be forced to kill anyone, especially those who will be smarter than us.

[Timothia]

But who's to say that you wouldn't use your knowledge to kill another person in search of more? After all, you've already made it clear that you would be willing to do that! Why wouldn't you do it again? And again. And again. And again. Until you are the wisest person in the world, but you are also the only one there as well. Would it be worth it then? What if you used the knowledge to save 50 people but used that same knowledge to kill 500 people. It would no longer be repaid, the debt would have increased! Do you really trust yourself so much that you would risk killing even more people than you save?

I trust myself...why not?

Any one who truly trusts themselves with the entirety of human knowledge is (at best) a egomaniac or (at worst) criminally, phsycopathically insane. In either case, you would already not be fit to use you skills for the better of all mankind.

[Yugo-Austria]

No. I'd rather sacrifice myself to protect children than be forced to kill anyone, especially those who will be smarter than us.

You foolish man
You could be more smart
Bring and end to:
gangs
racism
war
poverty
low education
homelessness

[Imperia Mlytoria]

What the hell people, what the hell.

OMG, your post was edited by a vampire O_o... so long agoooooooooo.

OMG, THEY'RE REAL, LIKE, FOR REALSIES!

IN THE 1600s, OMG!

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Ves, vhy I do agree, United, now, show me that... maaaaaaark on your neck.

It's fake, and a part of his sig. Anyone could put something like that in there. Don't spam this amazing thread like that pls.

[Yugo-Austria]

I trust myself...why not?

Any one who truly trusts themselves with the entirety of human knowledge is (at best) a egomaniac or (at worst) criminally, phsycopathically insane. In either case, you would already not be fit to use you skills for the better of all mankind.

You think with silly taboo
No kill chilren for knowledge
You fool
I rather one child die so I can stop the bad things in world

[Saint Kitten]

Here's my stand. I'd rather sacrifice fluffy Kittehs then innocent children. I don't care what we could learn. It's barbaric and we would have to live with the fact that we gained this info from the slaughter of innocents.

[Timothia]

Well, welcome back to NSG then. You've missed a lot.

I think we can agree that this is much weirder then usual, even by NS standards

Hey, guess who's here Were you searching my name on the forums again? Bad kitteh...

[God Kefka]

When you keep X and not get Y... or get Y and lose X, you have to do a cost-benefit analysis.

You have to look at it objectively and consider what each group can bring to the table of human progress.

One random child's life vs not having that child but getting 1 new individual who is the SMARTEST in EVERY field of human achievement?

I think it's hard to argue in this case that keeping X and not getting Y is really what's best for the interests of humanity as a whole. It's in the interest of the child... but not for the world as a whole (keep in mind also that the odds that the child being killed has intellectual capabilities that are higher than the newly-empowered individual in this hypothetical is virtually non-existent... I think no one contends that at the moment no single person can be the smartest in EVERY field of human achievement).

It's always a matter of cost-benefit analysis.

If you're looking at sacrificing maybe, a billion people for the benefit of one person getting top-tier mental capabilities in every field of human achievement, then maybe you are starting to cross a line.

Maybe the combined mental faculties of those billion people (unlike with the case of a single child) COULD surpass that of the newly-empowered individual. Maybe the world NEEDS the combined labor of those billion people and can't survive without it... and so on.

You see the sort of logical test that you should apply? You can't just stop at ''It's Always Wrong To Kill a Kid.'' Society would get nowhere with that kind of dogma...

If killing one child saved the directly and certainly saved the lives of two or more other human beings, then I would say you would be excused. I personally couldn't go through with it, but I think that most of us would agree that this would be fair. The point is not that you kill to save, you are killing to gain. You are killing to gain with near zero proof that it would pay off and save lives. In fact, you would be at the pinnacle of human knowledge of weapons technology, genocidal tactics, methods of execution... I would guess that you (who we discovered is morally-deprived cuz you killed a child to get to where you are) would be willing to kill even more people. The haunting guilt of your act would burn at your soul until it drove you crazy and you defied all laws of decency. That is a more likely scenario than you happily saving the planet from all it's problems.

Saving at least two lives by coming up with a new invention using my top tier mastery of many fields of science and engineering shouldn't be that difficult.

If someone of only moderate and not superhuman intelligence was able to come up with penicillin through an accident, surely the world's smartest man in EVERY field can do even better.

See the picture?

And I would have the chance to do this with almost every human problem. Why wouldn't I do that? Since it would indirectly enrich me too and make me famous (after all, the system of capitalism is built to reward these endeavors right)? I have every incentive to benefit the world...

Also, make up your mind about my alleged morality or lack of it. You can't tell me I am ''morally-deprived'' in one line and then later talk about how I would be ''haunted'' by guilt. Morally-deprived people are not haunted by guilt... be consistent please.

[The Emerald Legion]

When you keep X and not get Y... or get Y and lose X, you have to do a cost-benefit analysis.

You have to look at it objectively and consider what each group can bring to the table of human progress.

One random child's life vs not having that child but getting 1 new individual who is the SMARTEST in EVERY field of human achievement?

I think it's hard to argue in this case that keeping X and not getting Y is really what's best for the interests of humanity as a whole. It's in the interest of the child... but not for the world as a whole (keep in mind also that the odds that the child being killed has intellectual capabilities that are higher than the newly-empowered individual in this hypothetical is virtually non-existent... I think no one contends that at the moment no single person can be the smartest in EVERY field of human achievement).

It's always a matter of cost-benefit analysis.

If you're looking at sacrificing maybe, a billion people for the benefit of one person getting top-tier mental capabilities in every field of human achievement, then maybe you are starting to cross a line.

Maybe the combined mental faculties of those billion people (unlike with the case of a single child) COULD surpass that of the newly-empowered individual. Maybe the world NEEDS the combined labor of those billion people and can't survive without it... and so on.

You see the sort of logical test that you should apply? You can't just stop at ''It's Always Wrong To Kill a Kid.'' Society would get nowhere with that kind of dogma...

If killing one child saved the directly and certainly saved the lives of two or more other human beings, then I would say you would be excused. I personally couldn't go through with it, but I think that most of us would agree that this would be fair. The point is not that you kill to save, you are killing to gain. You are killing to gain with near zero proof that it would pay off and save lives. In fact, you would be at the pinnacle of human knowledge of weapons technology, genocidal tactics, methods of execution... I would guess that you (who we discovered is morally-deprived cuz you killed a child to get to where you are) would be willing to kill even more people. The haunting guilt of your act would burn at your soul until it drove you crazy and you defied all laws of decency. That is a more likely scenario than you happily saving the planet from all it's problems.

What is this? Star wars? Where seeking power turns you into a puppy kicking villain? Sorry, guilt doesn't work like that. To be honest I have my doubts it's anything but a clever placebo designed by parents and authority figures to get people to out themselves for their own transgressions.

[Yugo-Austria]

Here's my stand. I'd rather sacrifice fluffy Kittehs then innocent children. I don't care what we could learn. It's barbaric and we would have to live with the fact that we gained this info from the slaughter of innocents.

We would transcend such things with our newly gained intelligence
Besides no human is innocent
they've lied, probably stolen, probably assaulted

[Khorsun]

Dumb hypothetical. This scenario is only a real hand-wringer if, for instance, you had suffered brain damage in an accident of some sort and have lost a huge amount of your mental function...would you kill to restore yourself to normal, if there were no other way?

[Saint Kitten]

I think we can agree that this is much weirder then usual, even by NS standards

Hey, guess who's here Were you searching my name on the forums again? Bad kitteh...

It was on the "hot topic" or whatever they call it. It's not my fault you choose to go to the crazy topics like moi

[Constaniana]

You should see a psychologist. Actually, scratch that. Go directly to an insane asylum, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Oh oh I see not fun!
I want do more.
More more!

Are you on drugs?

[Crumlark]

This thread? I'm stealing it for the plot of a futuristic dystopian society RP.

[God Kefka]

I trust myself...why not?

Any one who truly trusts themselves with the entirety of human knowledge is (at best) a egomaniac or (at worst) criminally, phsycopathically insane. In either case, you would already not be fit to use you skills for the better of all mankind.

Are you just afraid that I might make the world a better place?

I have every material incentive to do it under the capitalist structure even in the very worst case where I'm just a self-interested bastard.

[Yugo-Austria]

Oh oh I see not fun!
I want do more.
More more!

Are you on drugs?

I not know.

[Khorsun]

No. I'd rather sacrifice myself to protect children than be forced to kill anyone, especially those who will be smarter than us.

You foolish man
You could be more smart
Bring and end to:
gangs
racism
war
poverty
low education
homelessness

One person will never be capable of fixing any of these problems, no matter how smart they are.

[Timothia]

Any one who truly trusts themselves with the entirety of human knowledge is (at best) a egomaniac or (at worst) criminally, phsycopathically insane. In either case, you would already not be fit to use you skills for the better of all mankind.

You think with silly taboo
No kill chilren for knowledge
You fool
I rather one child die so I can stop the bad things in world

I'm sorry, but you have honestly brought very little to this discussion. Do you have anything important to say? Or are you more interested in just replying with short, cutting, and useless posts that say the same thing over and over again?

[Saint Kitten]

Here's my stand. I'd rather sacrifice fluffy Kittehs then innocent children. I don't care what we could learn. It's barbaric and we would have to live with the fact that we gained this info from the slaughter of innocents.

We would transcend such things with our newly gained intelligence
Besides no human is innocent
they've lied, probably stolen, probably assaulted

Because children should be slaughtered because they stole and lied.
And the assaulted is bullshit. They only reflect what their parents teach them

[Yugo-Austria]

Any one who truly trusts themselves with the entirety of human knowledge is (at best) a egomaniac or (at worst) criminally, phsycopathically insane. In either case, you would already not be fit to use you skills for the better of all mankind.

Are you just afraid that I might make the world a better place?

Ohh I see he's afraid someone might get to first
then he not get glory
ahhh
not morality
just...jealousy

[New Acardia]

HELL NO!!!
I think that about answers that.

[Saint Kitten]

This thread? I'm stealing it for the plot of a futuristic dystopian society RP.

I'm already interested

[Constaniana]

Are you on drugs?

I not know.

I'm going to take that as a yes.

[Timothia]

Hey, guess who's here Were you searching my name on the forums again? Bad kitteh...

It was on the "hot topic" or whatever they call it. It's not my fault you choose to go to the crazy topics like moi

I'm just glad that we actually agree for once...