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Would you kill children to become smarter?

Postby Crownariam » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:10 pm

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The Emerald Legion wrote:See... lots of people say that, but as humanity is the source of value it would thus logically depend on value existing, so any value at all would depend on someone being there to value it.

Making it so that no matter what system of values you have, it's logically impossible, under the proposed idea for humans to be anything but the top tier.

Personally, I think knowledge has intrinsic value, and thus humanity has intrinsic value. Or at least a goodly chunk of it.

...what? Humanity is not the source of value. A monkey may value bananas. That is true whether humans exist or not. Besides, if anything, it puts the individual at the helm: whether humanity is of value or not depends on whether said individual values others. I, too, am a lover of knowledge. If the OP read "Would you strangle strange children in order to become hyperintelligent," my only question would be the chances of my being caught. Why? Because I value knowledge and intelligence more than I value strangers.

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1. How much smarter?

2. Smarter in what way and with respect to which skills?

3. Would I get caught?

4. Which children?

1. Their current IQ is added to yours.
2. The area that they are smart in, and their skills. For example kill a sword prodigy, you are now a sword prodigy.
3. Depends on how smart you are.
4. You choose

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Vareiln wrote:You know what, can we just not have these threads with vague hypotheticals?


They are really too vague to work with.

It doesn't specify if accidentally killing a child counts. It doesn't specify if ranged assassinations count. It doesn't specify if killing children by proxy such as hiring hitmen to kill children counts. It isn't specificed if convincing a child to commit suicide counts as having killed them.

It still counts.

I never said that they had to be human children.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:14 pm

What? No! Fuck no!
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Postby Gallup » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:17 pm

These hypotheticals are getting odder and odder. I have one:

Would you kill the Druze population of Israel and beacome dictator of Nauru or flood Alexandria VA and get 1 million dollars?
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Postby Shaggai » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Depends. How many children, how old, and how much smarter? I mean, yeah, I would totally kill, say, a single newborn infant (who doesn't currently have a mind) if I would then be smart enough cure all diseases, poverty, and global warming. If I had to kill millions of older children and it would raise my IQ by one point? Hell no.
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Postby Imperia Mlytoria » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:19 pm

Yes. Assuming I could strangle just any ol' kids and there were no magickal-like way for me to get caught beyond police investigations, and the ratio of kids killed to intellect increase is a reasonable tradeoff.

There are plenty of kids in the world, and plenty of them could be murdered and dumped some place in a way that leaves no genuine evidence behind. As stated by the fellow in the quoted post, I care more about my own intellect than random kids I don't know and never will know.
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:23 pm

Of course not, that's just plain fucked up.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:24 pm

Shaggai wrote:Depends. How many children, how old, and how much smarter? I mean, yeah, I would totally kill, say, a single newborn infant (who doesn't currently have a mind) if I would then be smart enough cure all diseases, poverty, and global warming. If I had to kill millions of older children and it would raise my IQ by one point? Hell no.

The scenario given is of one who values knowledge for knowledge's sake, not as something used to help others. Their concern is of getting caught, not the ethics behind lives saved for lives ended. It is implied that you are doing this just to become smarter, not receive near-omnipotence.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:24 pm

Fuck no, that's madness.
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Postby Nervium » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:25 pm

No.


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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:28 pm

I would be willing to kill a kid(s), if it meant me becoming intelligent enough to pursue world domination and enslave humanity. I care far more about me and my own personal ambitions then about some two year old who I don't know and who will probably never be important to humanity.

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Postby Vetalia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:28 pm

Imperia Mlytoria wrote:Yes. Assuming I could strangle just any ol' kids and there were no magickal-like way for me to get caught beyond police investigations, and the ratio of kids killed to intellect increase is a reasonable tradeoff.

There are plenty of kids in the world, and plenty of them could be murdered and dumped some place in a way that leaves no genuine evidence behind. As stated by the fellow in the quoted post, I care more about my own intellect than random kids I don't know and never will know.


Christ, I hope you're not serious.
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Postby Gallup » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:29 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:I would be willing to kill a kid(s), if it meant me becoming intelligent enough to pursue world domination and enslave humanity. I care far more about me and my own personal ambitions then about some two year old who I don't know and who will probably never be important to humanity.

Ever hear of the "Butterfly effect"?
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:31 pm

No. I don't think I could kill a child, anyways. It'd be overall easier to gain knowledge in another way.
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Postby Risottia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:32 pm

Imperia Mlytoria wrote:Yes. Assuming I could strangle just any ol' kids and there were no magickal-like way for me to get caught beyond police investigations, and the ratio of kids killed to intellect increase is a reasonable tradeoff.

There are plenty of kids in the world, and plenty of them could be murdered and dumped some place in a way that leaves no genuine evidence behind. As stated by the fellow in the quoted post, I care more about my own intellect than random kids I don't know and never will know.


Oooh, you're so edgy that my jeans just became skinnier by merely reading this post. Now, wouldn't you kill for waffles? I bet you fucking love waffles.
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Postby Vetalia » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:33 pm

Risottia wrote:Oooh, you're so edgy that my jeans just became skinnier by merely reading this post. Now, wouldn't you kill for waffles? I bet you fucking love waffles.


I don't know, this person might be serious...the internet attracts enough sociopaths that they make the Wannsee Conference look like a sewing circle.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:40 pm

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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:47 pm

Gallup wrote:These hypotheticals are getting odder and odder. I have one:

Would you kill the Druze population of Israel and beacome dictator of Nauru or flood Alexandria VA and get 1 million dollars?


A smart dead-child-fueled steam abacus could tell us which is better to within 4.257 dbs.

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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:49 pm

Imperia Mlytoria wrote:Yes. Assuming I could strangle just any ol' kids and there were no magickal-like way for me to get caught beyond police investigations, and the ratio of kids killed to intellect increase is a reasonable tradeoff.

There are plenty of kids in the world, and plenty of them could be murdered and dumped some place in a way that leaves no genuine evidence behind. As stated by the fellow in the quoted post, I care more about my own intellect than random kids I don't know and never will know.


It's clear from your post that you've never done this in real life. I don't mean that as a function relation based flame.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:52 pm

If it made me smart enough to solve some highly complicated math equation that hasn't been answer correctly by anyone and thus a famous mathematician then maybe just one. If it wasn't going to make me significantly smarter by at least 40 points on an IQ to super genius levels then I am not willing to do such.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:53 pm

Rocopurr wrote:No. I don't think I could kill a child, anyways. It'd be overall easier to gain knowledge in another way.

Like selling my soul to the Koch Brothers or finding the Philosopher's Stone.
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Postby Esternial » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:54 pm

I'd become an abortion doctor.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:55 pm

Esternial wrote:I'd become an abortion doctor.

That would be a surefire way to both make money and gain infinite intelligence.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:55 pm

...what...no!
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What...Czechanada is that you?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:58 pm

Esternial wrote:I'd become an abortion doctor.

without opposeable thumbs?

i view these kinds of threads as messy, i believe that folks who would think of doing this, and supporters of things like eugenics, need to be killed for the greater good of the society, to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening.

I know its a circular argument,
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and i know its hypocritical....


but it works for me. :evil:
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