Americans, Never Forget: December 7, 1941

[Alouite]

I highly doubt terrorists and Drug Lords are going to sign a treaty with the United States Government, or vice-versa.

Of course they will! I mean, you just have to light a fire and sing Kumbaya.

And the Terrorists will pass around some delicious chemicals and the Drug Lords will pass the Marijuana Brownies with a side of Ecstasy.

[Capital Zealand]

Ever heard of diplomacy and treaties? Let's end the war on terrorism the same way! Oh, and the war on drugs! How about that?

I highly doubt terrorists and Drug Lords are going to sign a treaty with the United States Government, or vice-versa.

I was referencing on nukes with that, not treaties. Sorry. Let's bomb cannabis fields and the Middle East.

[Imperializt Russia]

It is called collateral damage. It is kind of unavoidable when you are trying to attack a country that built its military-industrial complex among the residential area (which most countries did and still do) and heavily used wood as the main construction material. Also,

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How else do you expect to end a war?

Ever heard of diplomacy and treaties? Let's end the war on terrorism the same way! Oh, and the war on drugs! How about that?

Like Germany, Imperial Japan wanted a conditional surrender. The Western Allies wanted to settle for nothing less than an unconditional surrender from both.

Both states had to be re-educated and pacified, and done so in a way that had nothing in common to what the Treaty of Versailles had done to Germany after the first war.
You can't do that with a basic cessation of hostilities.

[Hurdegaryp]

Actually, this seems to be a recurring event in American History. Every time we finish kicking somebody's ass, everybody is all like "Pfft, America, what are they gonna do?", and some fool decides to get involved in a war with us. I can't understand for the life of me why people underestimate America's resolve.

Mostly because USA was not a global powerhouse back then, but a country that was not really spectacular apart from covering half of the continent. It was like a warmer version of Canada with a weak military both in terms of equipment and number, and maybe morale as well. Total mobilisation was a new thing back then, and even then few anticipated how effective USA was in terms of turning its industrial infrastructure into a war machine.

It was spectacular how fast the industrial capacity of the United States managed to develop and manufacture enormous amounts of military machines and equipment. The USA didn't have much of an army in the thirties, but that almost changed overnight. From that day onward the victory of the Allied was pretty much guaranteed.

[Alouite]

I highly doubt terrorists and Drug Lords are going to sign a treaty with the United States Government, or vice-versa.

I was referencing on nukes with that, not treaties. Sorry. Let's bomb cannabis fields and the Middle East.

I don't see what your saying here. Are you promoting the war on the middle east or the like? Or Opposing it? I really can't tell.

[Estado Paulista]

Considering the fact that the United States had been breaching the Monroe Doctrine by supplying Britain with weapons, I can't exactly say that Japan wasn't justified in attacking the US.

What does the Monroe Doctrine has to do with this?

[Capital Zealand]

I was referencing on nukes with that, not treaties. Sorry. Let's bomb cannabis fields and the Middle East.

I don't see what your saying here. Are you promoting the war on the middle east or the like? Or Opposing it? I really can't tell.

Let's end war on terrorism and war on drugs and any other war out there by the use of nuclear weapons.

[CTALNH]

America.

I live for the day you collapse.

[Tuthina]

I don't see what your saying here. Are you promoting the war on the middle east or the like? Or Opposing it? I really can't tell.

Let's end war on terrorism and war on drugs and any other war out there by the use of nuclear weapons.

Sure. Maybe we should move back to the topic then?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Considering the fact that the United States had been breaching the Monroe Doctrine by supplying Britain with weapons, I can't exactly say that Japan wasn't justified in attacking the US.

What does the Monroe Doctrine has to do with this?

The Monroe Doctrine said that the US wouldn't intervene in internal affairs in Europe, yet Roosevelt openly supported Britain and opposed Axis expansion in Europe.

[Capital Zealand]

Let's end war on terrorism and war on drugs and any other war out there by the use of nuclear weapons.

Sure. Maybe we should move back to the topic then?

Sorry. My feelings got me. Go on.

[Darwinish Brentsylvania]

Japan bombed Pearl Harbor to try to make them stay neutral, and then it went totally wrong from then on for them

[Alouite]

I don't see what your saying here. Are you promoting the war on the middle east or the like? Or Opposing it? I really can't tell.

Let's end war on terrorism and war on drugs and any other war out there by the use of nuclear weapons.

That is retarded my pal. But on the other hand, there is no peaceful way to tell terrorists than to stop bombing you then by taking action. I think that if we accept their cultures more whle working to fix their problems and suppressing their illegal actions and considering them simple criminals. We can get them to back down.

Also regarding your post abut Cannabis in the middle east, I hope you understand that the Middle East does not harbor the worst terrorist cells, nor the greatest drug industry.

[Arcturus Novus]

While it was essentially suicide to send troops to Hawaii, it definitely shook us up quite a bit, and pushed us over the edge. If it weren't for Pearl Harbor, America might've stayed out of WWII. So, strategically speaking, four for you Japan.

[Estado Paulista]

The Monroe Doctrine said that the US wouldn't intervene in internal affairs in Europe, yet Roosevelt openly supported Britain and opposed Axis expansion in Europe.

But selling weapons to Britain is intervening within European affairs? The US sold weapons to both sides on World War I and if I recall correctly, the were selling weapons to the Axis as well.

The United States was being supportive of the UK's actions long before WWII.

Also, using the Monroe Doctrine as a justification for it, is a little odd. I wouldn't say it applies on the 20th century.

[Alouite]

The Monroe Doctrine said that the US wouldn't intervene in internal affairs in Europe, yet Roosevelt openly supported Britain and opposed Axis expansion in Europe.

But selling weapons to Britain is intervening within European affairs? The US sold weapons to both sides on World War I and if I recall correctly, the were selling weapons to the Axis as well.

The United States was being supportive of the UK's actions long before WWII.

Also, using the Monroe Doctrine as a justification for it, is a little odd. I wouldn't say it applies on the 20th century.

It as never repealed and is technically an active law. As for WW2, it is quite obvious that he was aligned to the Allied side from relatively early on, but decides to stay neutral.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

The Monroe Doctrine said that the US wouldn't intervene in internal affairs in Europe, yet Roosevelt openly supported Britain and opposed Axis expansion in Europe.

But selling weapons to Britain is intervening within European affairs? The US sold weapons to both sides on World War I and if I recall correctly, the were selling weapons to the Axis as well.

The United States was being supportive of the UK's actions long before WWII.

Also, using the Monroe Doctrine as a justification for it, is a little odd. I wouldn't say it applies on the 20th century.

Still, directly aiding one side of a war with weapons, lend-leases in exchange for military bases, and training grounds for bases is a pretty direct violation of US neutrality.

[Etha]

Oh yeah, that's today, isn't it. Well, such is War.

[Estado Paulista]

America.

I live for the day you collapse.

You're going to have to live a long time then kid.

Face facts: The US has the most defensible territory in the world, with greatest capacity for agricultural output, and the lowest natural transportaiton costs. This simply allows the US to consolidate internally and project outward becoming a natural balance-of-power in every other region ... it is classic divide and conquer. They did it between UK, France and Germany is Europe and then played Russia against its periphery. China is the game today and they encircle is From Alaska to S. Korea, to Japan, to Philippines to Vietnam, etc ...

I understand the natural inclination toward America bashing. I truly do. Especially when so many countries are stuck in seeming endless cycles of boom and bust or corruptions and internal political and economic turmous (Like Greece) being envious or hating on the superpower is easy.

America isn't going to collapse anytime soon.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

America.

I live for the day you collapse.

You're going to have to live a long time then kid.

Face facts: The US has the most defensible territory in the world, with greatest capacity for agricultural output, and the lowest natural transportaiton costs. This simply allows the US to consolidate internally and project outward becoming a natural balance-of-power in every other region ... it is classic divide and conquer. They did it between UK, France and Germany is Europe and then played Russia against its periphery. China is the game today and they encircle is From Alaska to S. Korea, to Japan, to Philippines to Vietnam, etc ...

I understand the natural inclination toward America bashing. I truly do. Especially when so many countries are stuck in seeming endless cycles of boom and bust or corruptions and internal political and economic turmous (Like Greece) being envious or hating on the superpower is easy.

America isn't going to collapse anytime soon.

This, and to think it is all because of the British and Colonist getting pissy at each other and the Natives just wanting them all to leave already.

Gotta love Imperial Age fuck ups.

[Estado Paulista]

Still, directly aiding one side of a war with weapons, lend-leases in exchange for military bases, and training grounds for bases is a pretty direct violation of US neutrality.

Yes, the US was a very isolationist country during most of its history.

After the Spanish-American War, the European nations noted the United States was beginning to emerge as a great power. That's when the American Isolationism and the Monroe Doctrine died.

That's why it's a little odd to use it as a justification. The America of the 1940's was well inside the world's affairs, differently from the America of the 1850's.

[Etha]

You're going to have to live a long time then kid.

Face facts: The US has the most defensible territory in the world, with greatest capacity for agricultural output, and the lowest natural transportaiton costs. This simply allows the US to consolidate internally and project outward becoming a natural balance-of-power in every other region ... it is classic divide and conquer. They did it between UK, France and Germany is Europe and then played Russia against its periphery. China is the game today and they encircle is From Alaska to S. Korea, to Japan, to Philippines to Vietnam, etc ...

I understand the natural inclination toward America bashing. I truly do. Especially when so many countries are stuck in seeming endless cycles of boom and bust or corruptions and internal political and economic turmous (Like Greece) being envious or hating on the superpower is easy.

America isn't going to collapse anytime soon.

This, and to think it is all because of the British and Colonist getting pissy at each other and the Natives just wanting them all to leave already.

Gotta love Imperial Age fuck ups.

Yes, quite.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Still, directly aiding one side of a war with weapons, lend-leases in exchange for military bases, and training grounds for bases is a pretty direct violation of US neutrality.

Yes, the US was a very isolationist country during most of its history.

After the Spanish-American War, the European nations noted the United States was beginning to emerge as a great power. That's when the American Isolationism and the Monroe Doctrine died.

That's why it's a little odd to use it as a justification. The America of the 1940's was well inside the world's affairs, differently from the America of the 1850's.

But the Monroe Doctrine was never repealed, and was still technically in effect.

[Lianhua (Ancient)]

Figured there was going to be a thread like this.

[Tuthina]

Figured there was going to be a thread like this.

It happens. At least there are not many ネトヨウ in NSG.