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Postby Sociobiology » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:38 pm

it should be called pseudo-medicine, alternative implies it works.
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Postby Shaggai » Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:54 pm

Sociobiology wrote:it should be called pseudo-medicine, alternative implies it works.

But then they couldn't sell it.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:45 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Because nature. *nods*

Or, rather, an extreme misunderstanding and degrading romanticization of it.

This.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:49 pm

I know certain herbs can be used to treat certain symptoms. I wouldn't call it alternative medicine though. Maybe natural medicine.
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Postby Ermarian » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:03 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Resawa wrote:But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

If something legitimately works then it's not alternative medicine, it's medicine.


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Postby Des-Bal » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:35 pm

Big Jim P wrote:I know certain herbs can be used to treat certain symptoms. I wouldn't call it alternative medicine though. Maybe natural medicine.


Herbs don't treat symptoms, compounds in those herbs do. When we find an herb that treats a symptom we extract the compound in a pure or artificial form and make it into medicine. Alternative medicine is a bunch of hokum.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:42 pm

Big Jim P wrote:I know certain herbs can be used to treat certain symptoms. I wouldn't call it alternative medicine though. Maybe natural medicine.

If it can be proven through the scientific method and if the compounds from the herbs have been extracted before and worked successfully, I'd say it's medicine.
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Postby Chishimotata » Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:40 pm

Related: today, I went to the library out of boredom (and because I was waiting for my father to get off work to take me home). I found a copy of Keven Trudeau's Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know, and curiosity got to me, so I took a look.

RationalWiki was right. The book is full of stupid and the final chapter is how we should all sign up for his website. He encourages alkaline quackery, homeopathy, naturopathic doctors, the whole she-bang, and claims that there are no such thing as medical facts.

WHY DOES THIS BOOK EXIST?

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:07 am

Chishimotata wrote:Related: today, I went to the library out of boredom (and because I was waiting for my father to get off work to take me home). I found a copy of Keven Trudeau's Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know, and curiosity got to me, so I took a look.

RationalWiki was right. The book is full of stupid and the final chapter is how we should all sign up for his website. He encourages alkaline quackery, homeopathy, naturopathic doctors, the whole she-bang, and claims that there are no such thing as medical facts.

WHY DOES THIS BOOK EXIST?

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Postby Pirate isle » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:51 am

That book seems uh "interesting"

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:44 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:Related: today, I went to the library out of boredom (and because I was waiting for my father to get off work to take me home). I found a copy of Keven Trudeau's Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know, and curiosity got to me, so I took a look.

RationalWiki was right. The book is full of stupid and the final chapter is how we should all sign up for his website. He encourages alkaline quackery, homeopathy, naturopathic doctors, the whole she-bang, and claims that there are no such thing as medical facts.

WHY DOES THIS BOOK EXIST?

WHAT


It's not that surprising, is it? If he wants to sell his own product, then making sure people don't realise/accept that there are alternatives (heh) that actually work is a good strategy for getting more loyal customers.
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Postby Pirate isle » Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:47 am

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:WHAT


It's not that surprising, is it? If he wants to sell his own product, then making sure people don't realise/accept that there are alternatives (heh) that actually work is a good strategy for getting more loyal customers.


You could say its a alternate strategy (That was awful help me)

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Postby Shaggai » Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:58 pm

Argh. I just remembered an old chiropractic pamphlet I found a while ago and kept to laugh at. I dug it up and looked through it. There's this one sentence, which says "Your brain sends nerve signals, or Life Energy, to the six Health Zones of your body". I'm really angry now. Not because of the sheer ignorance-that would just be funny-but because the "Health Zones" it mentions are things like "the circulatory system", "the digestive system", etc. It's the sort of thing you learn about in sixth-grade science class. It isn't that the person knows nothing about biology, but that they obviously phrased it specifically to prey on people who know nothing about biology.
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:46 pm

Medicine has been created from trial and error. This is still going on with test drugs.
What I dont like about alternative medicine, is they pretend it has been proven as effective. If research has been done, most of it is poor without a placebo to analyse against and much of it is uncertain.

Non-Confirmed Medicine sounds more accurate to me.

The way I look at it, if someone is unwilling to put something in writing they are not confident about their own beliefs.
I can imagine the hours it would take to get an alternative medicine place to release a relevant study published in a peer reviewed journal.

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Postby Chishimotata » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:50 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:Related: today, I went to the library out of boredom (and because I was waiting for my father to get off work to take me home). I found a copy of Keven Trudeau's Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know, and curiosity got to me, so I took a look.

RationalWiki was right. The book is full of stupid and the final chapter is how we should all sign up for his website. He encourages alkaline quackery, homeopathy, naturopathic doctors, the whole she-bang, and claims that there are no such thing as medical facts.

WHY DOES THIS BOOK EXIST?

WHAT

I'm serious. A good part of the first chapter is about how there is no such thing as medical facts, but only opinions.

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Postby Shaggai » Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:57 pm

Chishimotata wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:WHAT

I'm serious. A good part of the first chapter is about how there is no such thing as medical facts, but only opinions.

why

seriously, why
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Postby Conservative Conservationists » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:33 pm

Chishimotata wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:WHAT

I'm serious. A good part of the first chapter is about how there is no such thing as medical facts, but only opinions.


Then your health improvement is obviously an opinion and not a fact. You may be dying and bed ridden in horrible pain, but in my opinion you are in the best health you have ever been. Trust your medical professional who does not believe in medical facts.

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Postby Vamtrl » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:35 pm

There are alternative medicines that work, but they should never be taken over conventional medicine.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:38 pm

Vamtrl wrote:There are alternative medicines that work, but they should never be taken over conventional medicine.

Such as?
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Postby Vamtrl » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:46 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:There are alternative medicines that work, but they should never be taken over conventional medicine.

Such as?


Bilberry Tea and American Ginseng - for diabetes, used to lower blood glucose levels.

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Postby Vareiln » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:49 pm

Recently discovered that my brothers have an unfortunate affinity for this stuff(In addition to other forms of pseudoscience, such as climate change denialism).
Oh well. They won't ever stop me from seeking treatment should I require it.

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Postby Pensalum » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:52 pm

What about things like Aloe, or fish oil? Is that considered alternative medicine?
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Postby Xirtam » Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:56 pm

Modern medicine sure does have many problems that need fixing.
Hopefully with scientific progress it will get better though.
No reason to throw science out the window, at best alternative medicine would give a placebo effect, and there are other cheaper ways of doing that.
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