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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:12 pm

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Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: even with the amount of bacteria present?


Don't worry, I saw this on the internet. It's perfectly safe.

:roll: If its on the internet it obviously MUST be true. :rofl:
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Postby New Laikland » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:12 pm

Murbleflip wrote:And we should take this seriously because?


He's German. Germans are never wrong.

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Postby The Free Kingdom of Proprius » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:12 pm

Alternative medicine is great if it makes people think that it's helping them.

The two problems with it are (1): if someone tries to milk the gullible out of a lot of money and (2): If the chemicals/substances can actually be bad for you.

Really, when somethings proven and it works it's called Medicine. This 'Alternative medicine' stuff is mostly stuff that hasn't been proven to work.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Well, since it has no healing power, that isn't needed. Seriously, what sort of mechanism is there by which water "remembers" the substances that once were in it?

Quantum physics.

http://www.cs.rug.nl/~michael/qthair.pdf
http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... omeopathy/

"Wow I said Quantum, I'm so smart"
Tell me, what is one of the key points of quantum mechanics?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Well, since it has no healing power, that isn't needed. Seriously, what sort of mechanism is there by which water "remembers" the substances that once were in it?

Quantum physics.

http://www.cs.rug.nl/~michael/qthair.pdf
http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... omeopathy/


Neither are scientific papers.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:

"Wow I said Quantum, I'm so smart"
Tell me, what is one of the key points of quantum mechanics?

irrelevant.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:What has that got to do with anything, drinking piss is dangerous.

no i have a phd, md, gc, ad, rd, lc and pg, i know all this shit. piss is very safe to drink, i assure you

Ok, leave now.
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Postby Murbleflip » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:13 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Well, since it has no healing power, that isn't needed. Seriously, what sort of mechanism is there by which water "remembers" the substances that once were in it?

Quantum physics.


http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... omeopathy/

"he gave a talk about quantum physics and homeopathy, where he described in detail the experiments he performed to explain the mechanism of action through quantum physics. The conclusion was that he could not, the experiments were inconclusive.”

Yeah, your other link says it can't explain homeopathy.
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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:14 pm

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Neither are scientific papers.

one first IS supported by sources.....I couldn't be bothered to actually read the second....
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Postby UNIverseVERSE » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:14 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Shaggai wrote:Well, since it has no healing power, that isn't needed. Seriously, what sort of mechanism is there by which water "remembers" the substances that once were in it?

Quantum physics.

http://www.cs.rug.nl/~michael/qthair.pdf
http://johnbenneth.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... omeopathy/


Did you even read your 'sources'?

The second one is arguing that quantum physics is irrelevant for homeopathy...
Fnord.

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Postby New Laikland » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:Ok, leave now.

Let's see yours.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:15 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:"Wow I said Quantum, I'm so smart"
Tell me, what is one of the key points of quantum mechanics?

irrelevant.

Capitalize, please.
I never heard of this theory called "Irrelevant" wow you must be a super-smart quantum physicist right with this new theory called "Irrelevant" :palm:
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Postby An All-Natural Nation » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:15 pm

http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA113 ... 2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:15 pm

New Laikland wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Ok, leave now.

Let's see yours.

You want to see my piss?
Seriously, leave, now.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:16 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA11331E786870FF1B276F2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense


Do you seriously not understand how citing non-scientific sources doesn't help your argument?
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:16 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA11331E786870FF1B276F2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense

Why it's bullshit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avogadro_constant
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Postby Chishimotata » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:16 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA11331E786870FF1B276F2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense

NaturalNews is still not a valid source.

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Postby Vazdania » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:16 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
Vazdania wrote:irrelevant.

Capitalize, please.
I never heard of this theory called "Irrelevant" wow you must be a super-smart quantum physicist right with this new theory called "Irrelevant" :palm:

:eyebrow: Dude, I'm just saying your point against him is entirely irrelevant. Moveover your attempt at "grammar nazi"-ing your way through this is bullshit.
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Postby An All-Natural Nation » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:17 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:
An All-Natural Nation wrote:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA11331E786870FF1B276F2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense

Why it's bullshit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avogadro_constant

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/watmem.php#.UqThz_RDtb4
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Postby New Laikland » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:17 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:You want to see my piss?
Seriously, leave, now.


No, I meant-

Well, now that you mention it..

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Postby An All-Natural Nation » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:18 pm

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An All-Natural Nation wrote:http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=FA11331E786870FF1B276F2DC1C375CA
Why Homoeopathy Works And Makes Sense

NaturalNews is still not a valid source.

How is it not a valid source?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:19 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:NaturalNews is still not a valid source.

How is it not a valid source?


It isn't a scientific journal, and it's making scientific claims. It hasn't been through the scientific method.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:19 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Capitalize, please.
I never heard of this theory called "Irrelevant" wow you must be a super-smart quantum physicist right with this new theory called "Irrelevant" :palm:

:eyebrow: Dude, I'm just saying your point against him is entirely irrelevant. Moveover your attempt at "grammar nazi"-ing your way through this is bullshit.

Just verifying his validity as a quantum expert.
Nazi is a proper noun, there is no such word as "Moveover", if you meant "Moreover" you need a comma after it.
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Postby Chishimotata » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:20 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:NaturalNews is still not a valid source.

How is it not a valid source?

Scopie's Law: "In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses you the argument immediately... and gets you laughed out of the room."

NaturalNews breaks Scopie's Law constantly, so it still applies under the rule. Furthermore, NaturalNews is not scientific, it advocates things such as denying mental illness sufferers rights, and Mike Adams shows up on InfoWars as a guest.

ETA: if none of those actually sways you, consider this: even these quacks think Mike Adams is a crank.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Dec 08, 2013 2:21 pm

An All-Natural Nation wrote:
Chishimotata wrote:NaturalNews is still not a valid source.

How is it not a valid source?

Here's a fun fact: If you are living in Britain, it is possible at least one molecule of water you have ever drunk has been through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell. Cholera was pretty abundant in London before modern, scientifically-verified, medicine existed, why hasn't water got memory of that, Hepatitis or urine?
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