Alternative medicine

[Ifreann]

You said no such thing. I asked how you determined homeopathy to be superior. Here is your answer, in case you've forgotten.

These are two different things.

In the first instance I suggested homeopathy to be superior. In the second instance I was being questioned about subjective superiority. These two things are independent of one another.

Then I ask again. On what subjective basis did you determine homeopathy to be superior?

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

OH HOT DAMN, you didn't just say that....prepare to be attacked by the left wing hive mind.

Science is left wing?
You sure you wanna claim that?

[New Laikland]

OH HOT DAMN, you didn't just say that....prepare to be attacked by the left wing hive mind.

Don't worry, I saw it on an episode of M*A*S*H, it must be right

[Benuty]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

Medicine and Placebo are two different things.

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

"Most likely" depends on the illness.
The placebo effect is well documented.
In fact the ability to cheaply and safely produce sugar pills is one of the reasons Homeopathy is entirely unnecessary.

[An All-Natural Nation]

One reason for the superiority of homoeopathy is that homoeopathic remedies never result in side effects.

[Chishimotata]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

For acute and subjective conditions like headaches (pain response). It doesn't work if you try this with a cancer patient.

[New Laikland]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

Medicine and Placebo are two different things.

well shit, I wish I made that connection. oh, wait

[Chishimotata]

One reason for the superiority of homoeopathy is that homoeopathic remedies never result in side effects.

Not evidence that it works, sorry.

[Ifreann]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

Where did you get your MD? Or do you just know that the placebo effect exists?

[New Laikland]

For acute conditions like headaches. It doesn't work if you try this with a cancer patient.

Quite more than headaches, but obviously sugar doesn't cure cancer.

[New Laikland]

Where did you get your MD? Or do you just know that the placebo effect exists?

I have an MD from Harvard

[Vazdania]

OH HOT DAMN, you didn't just say that....prepare to be attacked by the left wing hive mind.

Science is left wing?
You sure you wanna claim that?

http://www.theguardian.com/science/the- ... 1/feb/13/3

Left wing bias in Psychology for starters.

[Ostroeuropa]

One reason for the superiority of homoeopathy is that homoeopathic remedies never result in side effects.

Or effects of any kind, beyond placebos.
And in fact, placebos can have side effects. So you are entirely bullshitting.

[Chishimotata]

For acute conditions like headaches. It doesn't work if you try this with a cancer patient.

Quite more than headaches, but obviously sugar doesn't cure cancer.

I added more. The placebo effect(s) is/are strongest when the condition you're testing is subjective (i.e. pain response).

[Ifreann]

Where did you get your MD? Or do you just know that the placebo effect exists?

I have a PhD from Harvard

So you don't actually know what medicine "mostly is". Gotcha.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

OH HOT DAMN, you didn't just say that....prepare to be attacked by the left wing hive mind.

Science is left wing?
You sure you wanna claim that?

In a very loose sense, it is, considering how science isn't static.

[New Laikland]

I have a PhD from Harvard

So you don't actually know what medicine "mostly is". Gotcha.

Can I see your MD please?

[Ifreann]

So you don't actually know what medicine "mostly is". Gotcha.

Can I see your MD please?

I'm not the one making claims about what medicine "mostly is".

[Ostroeuropa]

Science is left wing?
You sure you wanna claim that?

http://www.theguardian.com/science/the- ... 1/feb/13/3

Left wing bias in Psychology for starters.

Well gee, it's almost like learning more about humans or reality makes you more left wing.
You sure you wanna claim that?

[Vazdania]

These are two different things.

In the first instance I suggested homeopathy to be superior. In the second instance I was being questioned about subjective superiority. These two things are independent of one another.

Then I ask again. On what subjective basis did you determine homeopathy to be superior?

Homeopathy is "more natural" than pills, regardless if this is a naturalistic fallacy, you said "On what subjective basis."

Now if you said "On what objective basis" I might be inclined to answer differently.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

So you don't actually know what medicine "mostly is". Gotcha.

Can I see your MD please?

I'll show you my MS if you show us your MD.

[Napkiraly]

I wonder if anybody realizes that medicine is mostly mental. You can give someone a sugar pill, convince them it's what they need, and it'll most likely work

Give a sugar pill to someone with HIV and tell them it'll halt the spread of HIV. Come back to me when they've developed full blown AIDS. Placebos are not a perfect remedy. They are unreliable and unpredictable. The placebo effect does not always occur. Hence why we develop actual medicine instead of giving everyone sugar pills.

[New Laikland]

Can I see your MD please?

I'm not the one making claims about what medicine "mostly is".

But you are the one denying those claims.

[New Laikland]

Give a sugar pill to someone with HIV and tell them it'll halt the spread of HIV. Come back to me when they've developed full blown AIDS. Placebos are not a perfect remedy. They are unreliable and unpredictable. The placebo effect does not always occur. Hence why we develop actual medicine instead of giving everyone sugar pills.

This is why taking certain things literally is bad, yeah?