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In your opinion, do you think God exists?

Yes!
486
39%
No!
468
38%
Probably...
85
7%
Probably Not...
207
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Total votes : 1246

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United States of White America
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Postby United States of White America » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:21 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Eberica wrote:No, but wearing an American pin does mean you are a nationalist. Going to a Republican or Democratic convention for the purpose of supporting it would mean that you are either Republican or Democrat.

And going to an atheist convention means you're an atheist.

Which has jack shit to do with religion.


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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:23 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And going to an atheist convention means you're an atheist.

Which has jack shit to do with religion.

Being an atheist has everything to do with religion. without religion there is no reason to claim that you are an atheist.

Of course there would.

Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.
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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:25 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:And going to an atheist convention means you're an atheist.

Which has jack shit to do with religion.

Being an atheist has everything to do with religion. without religion there is no reason to claim that you are an atheist.

But you claim a religion is the direct cause of reason? Then which one?

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Postby Shilya » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:26 am

Mavorpen wrote:Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.


In fact I'd be entirely fine with people believing in god(s), if only religions would go away.
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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:31 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Eberica wrote:Being an atheist has everything to do with religion. without religion there is no reason to claim that you are an atheist.

Of course there would.

Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.

good point. all that i'm saying is that when someone says "there definitely is no god" that it is a belief. It's ok to have a belief like that in fact when i say I am an agnostic I always add "leaning atheist" I just don't have all the facts yet, none of us do. and to be honest going to an atheist convention doesn't make you an atheist. I would go if Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris were speaking. What I was saying before is if you go to atheist conventions regularly or even "religiously". My wife is Christian and on holidays or when she bribes me, I go every once in a while. I certainly don't believe in the religious aspects so just going doesn't make me a christian.

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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:32 am

Shilya wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.


In fact I'd be entirely fine with people believing in god(s), if only religions would go away.

love this

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United States of White America
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Postby United States of White America » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:32 am

Eberica wrote:
Shilya wrote:
In fact I'd be entirely fine with people believing in god(s), if only religions would go away.

love this


Religion is important though.
Christianity is good. Atheism is not. Deal with it.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 am

Eberica wrote:good point. all that i'm saying is that when someone says "there definitely is no god" that it is a belief. It's ok to have a belief like that in fact when i say I am an agnostic I always add "leaning atheist" I just don't have all the facts yet, none of us do. and to be honest going to an atheist convention doesn't make you an atheist. I would go if Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris were speaking. What I was saying before is if you go to atheist conventions regularly or even "religiously". My wife is Christian and on holidays or when she bribes me, I go every once in a while. I certainly don't believe in the religious aspects so just going doesn't make me a christian.

Not believing in God makes you an atheist.

"Agnostic" is not a third option. You either don't believe in a deity/deities, or you don't.
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Postby Divair » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 am

Shilya wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.


In fact I'd be entirely fine with people believing in god(s), if only religions would go away.

It's not even religion so much as organized religion interfering with national governments. Ensure they're incapable of impacting the political scene and they become annoying at worst.

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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Eberica wrote:Being an atheist has everything to do with religion. without religion there is no reason to claim that you are an atheist.

Of course there would.

Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.

I wish this were true for more people.

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Postby Kelinfort » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:33 am

United States of White America wrote:
Eberica wrote:love this


Religion is important though.

Why is it important?

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Postby Caecuser » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:34 am

United States of White America wrote:
Eberica wrote:love this


Religion is important though.


How is it important?

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Postby Sretharia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:38 am

There is no god cuz there are so many of them and all these gods are thaughts of people. The only god is science. And science does exist.

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Postby Divair » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:38 am

Sretharia wrote:There is no god cuz there are so many of them and all these gods are thaughts of people. The only god is science. And science does exist.

Science is not a god.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:41 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Of course there would.

Belief in a God doesn't require you being in a religion.

good point. all that i'm saying is that when someone says "there definitely is no god" that it is a belief. It's ok to have a belief like that in fact when i say I am an agnostic I always add "leaning atheist" I just don't have all the facts yet, none of us do. and to be honest going to an atheist convention doesn't make you an atheist. I would go if Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris were speaking. What I was saying before is if you go to atheist conventions regularly or even "religiously". My wife is Christian and on holidays or when she bribes me, I go every once in a while. I certainly don't believe in the religious aspects so just going doesn't make me a christian.

pfffft

I say I don't believe in god because I don't. it doesn't bother me that there is some tiny chance that some god exists or existed somewhere some time. just as it doesn't bother me to know that some day the big bang theory may be disproven.
whatever

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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:41 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Eberica wrote:good point. all that i'm saying is that when someone says "there definitely is no god" that it is a belief. It's ok to have a belief like that in fact when i say I am an agnostic I always add "leaning atheist" I just don't have all the facts yet, none of us do. and to be honest going to an atheist convention doesn't make you an atheist. I would go if Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris were speaking. What I was saying before is if you go to atheist conventions regularly or even "religiously". My wife is Christian and on holidays or when she bribes me, I go every once in a while. I certainly don't believe in the religious aspects so just going doesn't make me a christian.

Not believing in God makes you an atheist.

"Agnostic" is not a third option. You either don't believe in a deity/deities, or you don't.

Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997

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Postby DesAnges » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:42 am

In a definite, material sense? Fuck knows, and I don't really care.

In a more...wishy-washy philosophical pontificating sense, s/he exists because people believe in her/him.
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Postby Divair » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:43 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Not believing in God makes you an atheist.

"Agnostic" is not a third option. You either don't believe in a deity/deities, or you don't.

Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997

Do you currently believe in a god or gods?

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:44 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Not believing in God makes you an atheist.

"Agnostic" is not a third option. You either don't believe in a deity/deities, or you don't.

Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997

So then you're an atheist.

An atheist that doesn't understand what the word means, but one nonetheless.
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Postby Shilya » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:45 am

Eberica wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Not believing in God makes you an atheist.

"Agnostic" is not a third option. You either don't believe in a deity/deities, or you don't.

Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997


So you're saying aliens exist and to us they're like god.
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:45 am

Divair wrote:
Sretharia wrote:There is no god cuz there are so many of them and all these gods are thaughts of people. The only god is science. And science does exist.

Science is not a god.


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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:47 am

Korena wrote:Woah, I go to sleep and I wake up to find 8 new pages of replies. :lol:

I'm going to throw a question out to atheists and non-believers...
Where do you think you go when you die?

same place we were a year before we were born.

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Postby The New World Oceania » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:49 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Eberica wrote:Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997

So then you're an atheist.

An atheist that doesn't understand what the word means, but one nonetheless.


This is comparable to stating one is only either straight or asexual: the common or the opposite thereof.
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Postby Eberica » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:50 am

Shilya wrote:
Eberica wrote:Not true, I don't believe in any god that has been written about. I believe if there is a god it won't be the "christian" god, or the muslim" god, or the "hindu" gods, or the "Roman" gods, or any of the other gods. But i believe there is a possibility that a god or many could exist. if you look at it objectively humans have been gods to other species. Specifically species we have created like banana and wintergreen smelling e. coli http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=90014997


So you're saying aliens exist and to us they're like god.

only if you are saying we were genetically engineered by aliens. Which i don't think there is enough evidence for no matter how often our friend Giorgio Tsoukalos (damn i hope i spelled that correctly) say "maybe it was aliens"

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Postby Mavorpen » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:50 am

The New World Oceania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So then you're an atheist.

An atheist that doesn't understand what the word means, but one nonetheless.


This is comparable to stating one is only either straight or asexual: the common or the opposite thereof.

Yes, it is.

It's a false comparison, though.
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