Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[Estado Paulista]

Oh, and comrade Estado Paulista, take note that the mods don't like it when you accuse people as such, even if you think you're right. I advise against it.

[Gujiristan]

4) Huh?

2)It's not a valid reason for belief, but religious people probably do live longer than the irreligious.[/quote]
Religious people =/= Christian believers.

[Zottistan]

Oh, and comrade Estado Paulista, take note that the mods don't like it when you accuse people as such, even if you think you're right. I advise against it.

You could always edit it out of your post.

2)It's not a valid reason for belief, but religious people probably do live longer than the irreligious.

Religious people =/= Christian believers.

No, but Christian believers = Religious people.

[Caecuser]

Oh, a troll acount. You must think you're funny. Fascinating.

Not necessarily. At least I am honest and upfront with my views, although I imagine them to either be subjected or to be ridiculed ad infinitum. I think no matter what your views you, you have to sound them. Perhaps my methods are questionable but at least I am sounding them without hiding. I am not a "closet" anything, but a rather passionate and vocal person. You may find my argument rather illogical (which is fine) but it doesn't mean I am necessarily a troll; I am merely suggesting reasons why I think God exists. It would be an act of trollage if I was suddenly to go "GOD IS REAL LULZ" and end it at that, rather than me explaining why I think He is real. My account is not a troll account- they are my actual views on society. I do not do this with the intent to make others laugh, but more to let them know my point of view.

So no, I am not a troll and this isn't a laughing matter.

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

[Saint Kitten]

I don't believe in anything other then science
and Kittehs IC

[Saint Kitten]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

If you're tired of these then why do you still post on them?

[Ashmoria]

Destroying all the humans on earth but two does not show good leadership skills, or intelligence, or accomplishment. Neither does destroying two cities because some people in them were bad, nor ordering the stoning of people (With stones!) for random reasons.

Emperor Qin also killed thousands for minor reasons as a way to ensure he was respected and fear. Fear is more powerful than love, perhaps God believes this as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

One example: Owning the Book of Songs or the Classic of History was to be punished especially severely. According to the later Records of the Grand Historian, the following year Qin Shi Huang had some 460 scholars buried alive for owning the forbidden books.[48][50]

This would be called 'tough leadership' and it is a way to ensure loyalty. God also killed many for the same reason. We honor God because we fear God.

and how long did the qin dynasty last?

[Zottistan]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

[Saint Kitten]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

Pretty much everyone that's atheist says that.

[Capital Zealand]

I don't believe in anything other then science
and Kittehs IC

You don't need to believe in science. It is a fact independent of your own belief. You do not need to believe in anything.

[Ashmoria]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

of course

but do you believe in god?

[Capital Zealand]

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

Pretty much everyone that's atheist says that.

I can see myself as a pretty vocal anti-christian.

[Zottistan]

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

Pretty much everyone that's atheist says that.

Really? The majority of us went with the whole "I don't care what people believe as long as they keep out of school and government" schtick.

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

of course

but do you believe in god?

No. That's the point.

[United States of White America]

Not necessarily. At least I am honest and upfront with my views, although I imagine them to either be subjected or to be ridiculed ad infinitum. I think no matter what your views you, you have to sound them. Perhaps my methods are questionable but at least I am sounding them without hiding. I am not a "closet" anything, but a rather passionate and vocal person. You may find my argument rather illogical (which is fine) but it doesn't mean I am necessarily a troll; I am merely suggesting reasons why I think God exists. It would be an act of trollage if I was suddenly to go "GOD IS REAL LULZ" and end it at that, rather than me explaining why I think He is real. My account is not a troll account- they are my actual views on society. I do not do this with the intent to make others laugh, but more to let them know my point of view.

So no, I am not a troll and this isn't a laughing matter.

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

[United British Union]

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

I agree with you, White America. I have said so in your telegrams.

[Shilya]

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

Pretty much everyone that's atheist says that.

Maybe in the US. In Europe...not such much. I live in eastern germany right now. The town has 75% irreligious people, devout christians are nowhere to be found, the churches are empty. Naturally, the children grow up without religion in their lifes.

[Saint Kitten]

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

That is just adorable

[Brickistan]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

Not necessarily. Give me good solid evidence for God and I'll happily acknowledge his existence.

I will never worship him - he's a bit of a nasty character - but I'll acknowledge that he exists in the same manner that I acknowledge Hitler existed.

[Saint Kitten]

Pretty much everyone that's atheist says that.

Really? The majority of us went with the whole "I don't care what people believe as long as they keep out of school and government" schtick.

of course

but do you believe in god?

No. That's the point.

I see that, then I see this also. I've seen more "I'm the most anti-religious person ever" then "meh"

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

Im tired of these kinds of discussions. Atheists and Christians (Note: I am a Christian myself) debate over the existence of a God endlessly. The truth is it is nonsense for one to argue if the Christian God exists because a Christian will always believe in a God and an atheist will always believe there is no such thing as a Christian God no matter what you say.

I was raised a devout Catholic. Now I'm one of the most non-spiritual, passionately anti-religious people you'll ever meet. People change their religious views all the time.

Yes, people change their religious views but my point is- It is very difficult to change one's opinions and most Christians stay Christian and most atheists stay atheist. Leopards hardly change their spots. My problem is, I find it hard to state what I am saying directly and always ends up saying it in an indirect manner.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

Are you serious, brother?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

Are you serious, brother?

I believe in intelligent design but I find the following hard to agree with because I think:

-Science is not immoral
-I could not find of a correlation between belief in God and a higher life span
-Just because science cannot explain everything does not have to mean it must be God.

[Caecuser]

In that case could you explain, elaborate or provide evidence for your views then?

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

1) Are you blaming individuals for their immoral actions rather than Science for any immoral action it may have performed? Science is neither moral nor immoral but how it is used can be judged so - Science by itself is pretty awesome though as a means of gathering information and establishing facts about reality.
2) I take it you have not read much of Evolution then?
3) Perhaps this is true in the same way that the placebo effect can have a positive effect on someone, so what?
4) There are things we did not know in the past that we do now, presumably we will know things in the future we do not know now.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

1) Science is immoral: http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dea ... periority/
2) Intelligent design: http://www.gotquestions.org/evidence-in ... esign.html
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span: http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013/04/ ... 367195880/
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... se-of-myst

Checkmate

1) Are you blaming individuals for their immoral actions rather than Science for any immoral action it may have performed? Science is neither moral nor immoral but how it is used can be judged so - Science by itself is pretty awesome though as a means of gathering information and establishing facts about reality.
2) I take it you have not read much of Evolution then?
3) Perhaps this is true in the same way that the placebo effect can have a positive effect on someone, so what?
4) There are things we did not know in the past that we do now, presumably we will know things in the future we do not know now.

I believe in his no.1, no.3 and no.4.