Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[Brickistan]

No

Who created you then?

Well, you see, when a man loves a woman very much...

[Mostrov]

First cause etc., where did the universe come from? Just appears out of nowhere? Inflationary Theory merely deals with the early universe not it's origins.
Is the christian god necessarily removed from that of philosophical one? Observers and consciousness in relation to the universe etc.

Because the Invisible Pink Unicorn is entirely equivalent as well all know to something that is theoretically beyond logical bounds; its all well and good positing something like a teapot between us and mars; we can deduce that it doesn't exist (or rather induce) - but how can we deal with things outside the universe. Is mathematics something that is truly universal for existence? Why does 1 + 1 = 2? Is it possible this is similarly local to our universe in a way that say hydrogen is?

But of course there is no point because this is an Atheist Forum and hence it is bad and evil to have any form of faith, even if based upon rational thought. Of course why is it that philosophy hasn't really managed to make a conclusive decision on the matter, but teenagers in front of their computers somehow trump 3000 years of thought due to their rationality? Come on regurgitate an argument you read of somewhere else instead of making an independent analysis of the situation.

[Jormengand]

No

Who created you then?

Who created god?

The first cause argument ain't getting you nowhere.

[Shilya]

First cause etc., where did the universe come from? Just appears out of nowhere?

The atheist answers "We don't know, but we're trying to find out." The theist answers "We know, god did it." What do you consider the better answer?

Frankly, the god outside the universe is of no concern for the debate. Or for any debate, really. He does not interfere with us, he is a first cause as good as any, he is of no concern to us. Only a god that exercises his powers in our existence is really any concern for us. A god that serves no purpose, has no proof pointing towards him, and might as well not exist without consequences can be dismissed.

Also, faith is the opposite of rational thought. It is the principle of suspending thought and simply accepting something.

[Domini Custos Pacis]

Hail satan.

[Viinborg]

Don't be silly. Now, away with all this superstition and let's go and do something useful. Maybe the sun is shining where you are!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Who knows?

Some can say no, some can say yes. But really, meh; it's your opinion on the matter, seriously, it completely doesn't make sense trying to prove or disprove God.

I'm an Agnostic Deist by the way.

[Mostrov]

The atheist answers "We don't know, but we're trying to find out." The theist answers "We know, god did it." What do you consider the better answer?

Frankly, the god outside the universe is of no concern for the debate. Or for any debate, really. He does not interfere with us, he is a first cause as good as any, he is of no concern to us. Only a god that exercises his powers in our existence is really any concern for us. A god that serves no purpose, has no proof pointing towards him, and might as well not exist without consequences can be dismissed.

Also, faith is the opposite of rational thought. It is the principle of suspending thought and simply accepting something.

You seem to conflate the idea of atheism with science. Was Aristotle irrational? Thomas Aquinas?

Evidently you have a certain idea of things and how they relate to the universe (probably requiring some faith of your own, such as the idea of a concrete existence), and I don't really care enough to actually want to debate in this quagmire; but you can do a cursory google for pretty much everything I said and see countless arguments and counter arguments; suffice to say you aren't especially convincing and no are you definitive..

[Gujiristan]

He has billions of followers (Muslims, Jews, and Christians, although Muslims were led by a false prophet- they believe in the same God).

Dammit, I knew Christian belief would sneak into that argument somewhere. If we had more Muslims on NS, they'd probably complain.

[Zottistan]

Don't be silly. Now, away with all this superstition and let's go and do something useful. Maybe the sun is shining where you are!

The sun is shining. Go watch some TV.

Who knows?

Some can say no, some can say yes. But really, meh; it's your opinion on the matter, seriously, it completely doesn't make sense trying to prove or disprove God.

I'm an Agnostic Deist by the way.

You can disprove the existence of an all-loving, all powerful god.

How? Cancer, HIV, famines, earthquakes, children born with horrible deformities, etc.

[Shilya]

The atheist answers "We don't know, but we're trying to find out." The theist answers "We know, god did it." What do you consider the better answer?

Frankly, the god outside the universe is of no concern for the debate. Or for any debate, really. He does not interfere with us, he is a first cause as good as any, he is of no concern to us. Only a god that exercises his powers in our existence is really any concern for us. A god that serves no purpose, has no proof pointing towards him, and might as well not exist without consequences can be dismissed.

Also, faith is the opposite of rational thought. It is the principle of suspending thought and simply accepting something.

You seem to conflate the idea of atheism with science. Was Aristotle irrational? Thomas Aquinas?

In regards to their religious beliefs? Yes. Suspending thought in one area does not mean you stop thinking altogether, you can still focus your thoughts on other areas.

Evidently you have a certain idea of things and how they relate to the universe (probably requiring some faith of your own, such as the idea of a concrete existence),

Let's not get into skepticism. It's a philosophical dead end.

and I don't really care enough to actually want to debate in this quagmire; but you can do a cursory google for pretty much everything I said and see countless arguments and counter arguments; suffice to say you aren't especially convincing and no are you definitive..

As long as you stick to faith, it's impossible to convince you. When you are willing to accept the irrational yet undisproveable, then no rational thought can convince you. As such, there is not much I can do there. But I wish you would realize that your position is irrational and based on nothing but faith.

[The Debauched Rabbit]

No God exists. Ever.

[Zottistan]

No God exists. Ever.

I'd love to see your reasoning.

[United States of White America]

Yes, He does, and anyone who says otherwise is rather irrational.

[Zottistan]

Yes, He does, and anyone who says otherwise is rather irrational.

Do enlighten us. How?

[Estado Paulista]

Yes, He does, and anyone who says otherwise is rather irrational.

I'd love to see your reasoning.

[United States of White America]

Yes, He does, and anyone who says otherwise is rather irrational.

Do enlighten us. How?

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

[Estado Paulista]

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[Zottistan]

Do enlighten us. How?

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

1) ...What?
2) What about it?
3) Ah, I see, you're the kind of person who believes something to make themselves feel better as opposed to having a valid reason for believing it.
4) ...This is a satire, isn't it?

[Shilya]

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

1) Step away from the product of immorality (your computer)
2) Gave whales leg bones, according to you. And produced the platypus.
3) Antibiotics did more for a higher life span than any belief ever will.
4) God of the gaps is a pretty bad god.

[Jormengand]

Do enlighten us. How?

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

1) Source.
2) Source.
3) Source.
4) 1000 years ago, science couldn't explain light. Now it can, and we know light isn't God.

[Caecuser]

Do enlighten us. How?

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

1) You are fundamentally incorrect here.
2) ...is false, okay.
3) Evidence for this? I'm very positive without believing in God.
4) Huh?

[Jormengand]

Oh, and comrade Estado Paulista, take note that the mods don't like it when you accuse people as such, even if you think you're right. I advise against it.

[Zottistan]

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

1) You are fundamentally incorrect here.
2) ...is false, okay.
3) Evidence for this? I'm very positive without believing in God.
4) Huh?

2)It's not a valid reason for belief, but religious people probably do live longer than the irreligious.

[United States of White America]

Hmmmm let's see.

1) Science is immoral
2) Intelligent design
3) Believing in God = positivity = higher life span
4) Science cannot explain everything, so it must be God

Oh, a troll acount. You must think you're funny. Fascinating.

Not necessarily. At least I am honest and upfront with my views, although I imagine them to either be subjected or to be ridiculed ad infinitum. I think no matter what your views you, you have to sound them. Perhaps my methods are questionable but at least I am sounding them without hiding. I am not a "closet" anything, but a rather passionate and vocal person. You may find my argument rather illogical (which is fine) but it doesn't mean I am necessarily a troll; I am merely suggesting reasons why I think God exists. It would be an act of trollage if I was suddenly to go "GOD IS REAL LULZ" and end it at that, rather than me explaining why I think He is real. My account is not a troll account- they are my actual views on society. I do not do this with the intent to make others laugh, but more to let them know my point of view.

So no, I am not a troll and this isn't a laughing matter.