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In your opinion, do you think God exists?

Yes!
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No!
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Probably...
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Probably Not...
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:24 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:So basically, "Shut the fuck up and have faith."?


Yes, he created us and we have to thank him for all blessings we receive. We also must thank him for each day he allows us to enjoy. He created suffering so we would be thankful for our lives. Without suffering and death, there is no joy and life. His philosophy is interesting.

*coughs* Shouldn't you be capitalizing 'him'? Out of respect?

However, none of the things you listed are proof. If you are going to say have faith at least be honest and straightforward about it.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:26 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Yes, watch a sunset at the beach and you will have your proof. Feel a cool breeze on a hot summer day and you will have your proof. Watch a child die of cancer and you will have your proof.

None of that is proof of the existence of the Christian god.
Freiheit Reich wrote:The Christian god exists and he has both a nice side and a tough side. We have to respect God and know he can kill us any time he chooses. He doesn't usually kill in hate though so try not to take it too personal, remember he really loves his children and has his own reasons for causing bad things to happen.

Irrelevant.

Freiheit Reich wrote:Yes, he created us and we have to thank him for all blessings we receive. We also must thank him for each day he allows us to enjoy. He created suffering so we would be thankful for our lives. Without suffering and death, there is no joy and life. His philosophy is interesting.

He did not create us. Emotions have nothing to do with god.

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:27 am

And the atheists take the lead by 3. Personally though, I'm an atheist, so yeah.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:28 am

Seperates wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Yes, he created us and we have to thank him for all blessings we receive. We also must thank him for each day he allows us to enjoy. He created suffering so we would be thankful for our lives. Without suffering and death, there is no joy and life. His philosophy is interesting.

*coughs* Shouldn't you be capitalizing 'him'? Out of respect?

However, none of the things you listed are proof. If you are going to say have faith at least be honest and straightforward about it.


Proof is the fact that you just typed this sentence. God is creative, he created your brain which allowed you to learn languages and he created your fingers which allowed you to type. His creation of life is truly amazing. Your life is proof and so is mine. Look out your window (assuming you have one), that tree outside is proof God exists. That sun (or moon or cloud) outside is also proof. Proof is all around you.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:29 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:*coughs* Shouldn't you be capitalizing 'him'? Out of respect?
However, none of the things you listed are proof. If you are going to say have faith at least be honest and straightforward about it.

Proof is the fact that you just typed this sentence. God is creative, he created your brain which allowed you to learn languages and he created your fingers which allowed you to type. His creation of life is truly amazing. Your life is proof and so is mine. Look out your window (assuming you have one), that tree outside is proof God exists. That sun (or moon or cloud) outside is also proof. Proof is all around you.

None of that is proof because the universe was not created.

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Postby Shilya » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:29 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Proof is the fact that you just typed this sentence. God is creative, he created your brain which allowed you to learn languages and he created your fingers which allowed you to type. His creation of life is truly amazing. Your life is proof and so is mine. Look out your window (assuming you have one), that tree outside is proof God exists. That sun (or moon or cloud) outside is also proof. Proof is all around you.

For this to amount to proof, you first have to prove that this could not happen for any other reason.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:30 am

Conscentia wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:And the atheists take the lead by 3. Personally though, I'm an atheist, so yeah.

Not everyone who voted "no" is an atheist. Not every theist is a Christian.

But if you read that question asked, which isn't the OP title, it asks is there a god. Actually then again, it could include people who believe in multiple gods.
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:30 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Not everyone who voted "no" is an atheist. Not every theist is a Christian.

But if you read that question asked, which isn't the OP title, it asks is there a god. Actually then again, it could include people who believe in multiple gods.

Read the title of the thread. "Does the (Christian) God Exist?".

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Postby DrakoLand » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:31 am

Why isn't this thread names "Are you a Christian?"

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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:37 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:*coughs* Shouldn't you be capitalizing 'him'? Out of respect?

However, none of the things you listed are proof. If you are going to say have faith at least be honest and straightforward about it.


Proof is the fact that you just typed this sentence. God is creative, he created your brain which allowed you to learn languages and he created your fingers which allowed you to type. His creation of life is truly amazing. Your life is proof and so is mine. Look out your window (assuming you have one), that tree outside is proof God exists. That sun (or moon or cloud) outside is also proof. Proof is all around you.

Nope. My mother and my father fucked and that's how I got here. I am proof of me, and even that is uncertain. I am not proof of anything else. And DNA constructed my fingers.

Again, if you are going to say, "Have faith." Just say it. Don't be a dick about it.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:45 am

Seperates wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Proof is the fact that you just typed this sentence. God is creative, he created your brain which allowed you to learn languages and he created your fingers which allowed you to type. His creation of life is truly amazing. Your life is proof and so is mine. Look out your window (assuming you have one), that tree outside is proof God exists. That sun (or moon or cloud) outside is also proof. Proof is all around you.

Nope. My mother and my father fucked and that's how I got here. I am proof of me, and even that is uncertain. I am not proof of anything else. And DNA constructed my fingers.

Again, if you are going to say, "Have faith." Just say it. Don't be a dick about it.


Watch the language: 'Your mother and father made love' which is how you got here. God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

Have faith, here are some lyrics to inspire you:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/michael+w+ ... 08995.html
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Postby Jormengand » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:47 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

No he didn't.

Swap your songs for evidence, an' let's see what you've got.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:49 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:Nope. My mother and my father fucked and that's how I got here. I am proof of me, and even that is uncertain. I am not proof of anything else. And DNA constructed my fingers.

Again, if you are going to say, "Have faith." Just say it. Don't be a dick about it.


Watch the language: 'Your mother and father made love' which is how you got here. God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

Have faith, here are some lyrics to inspire you:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/michael+w+ ... 08995.html

My mother and father made such sweet love that the bed sheets were sticky with juices for the next month. And then they fucked again. And fucked again. And fucked again.

Man, if God was involved that must of been one hell of a threesome.

Nah, you can keep your faith, I'll prefer to do this.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:53 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:Nope. My mother and my father fucked and that's how I got here. I am proof of me, and even that is uncertain. I am not proof of anything else. And DNA constructed my fingers.

Again, if you are going to say, "Have faith." Just say it. Don't be a dick about it.


Watch the language: 'Your mother and father made love' which is how you got here. God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

Have faith, here are some lyrics to inspire you:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/michael+w+ ... 08995.html


First, no he wasn't, second here's something else for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ_9dEPBHQQ
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:54 am

Seperates wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Watch the language: 'Your mother and father made love' which is how you got here. God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

Have faith, here are some lyrics to inspire you:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/michael+w+ ... 08995.html

My mother and father made such sweet love that the bed sheets were sticky with juices for the next month. And then they fucked again. And fucked again. And fucked again.

Man, if God was involved that must of been one hell of a threesome.

Nah, you can keep your faith, I'll prefer to do this.


Youtube is blocked where I live (because the govt. wants to protect the people) so I can't watch it.

Remember, some women might read your posts so we must avoid 'F' bombs if possible. God watches us have sex but he is not involved directly. He set the process in motion though and the fact he made sex enjoyable is a brilliant move on his part to ensure we would continue to reproduce. However, he created STDs to try to make sure we would only have sex with ones we love (a more crueler brilliant move). This is more proof he exists. He created STDs as punishment for human's sin of adultery.
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Postby Seperates » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:55 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:My mother and father made such sweet love that the bed sheets were sticky with juices for the next month. And then they fucked again. And fucked again. And fucked again.

Man, if God was involved that must of been one hell of a threesome.

Nah, you can keep your faith, I'll prefer to do this.


Youtube is blocked where I live (because the govt. wants to protect the people) so I can't watch it.

Remember, some women might read your posts so we must avoid 'F' bombs if possible. God watches us have sex but he is not involved directly. He set the process in motion though and the fact he made sex enjoyable is a brilliant move on his part to ensure we would continue to reproduce. However, he created STDs to try to make sure we would only have sex with ones we love (a more crueler brilliant move). This is more proof he exists. He created STDs as punishment for human's sin of adultery.

Oh man. That satire. The protectionist language gave it away though. Because seriously? I learned how to swear from my mother.
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Postby Jormengand » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:56 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:My mother and father made such sweet love that the bed sheets were sticky with juices for the next month. And then they fucked again. And fucked again. And fucked again.

Man, if God was involved that must of been one hell of a threesome.

Nah, you can keep your faith, I'll prefer to do this.


Youtube is blocked where I live (because the govt. wants to protect the people) so I can't watch it.

Remember, some women might read your posts so we must avoid 'F' bombs if possible. God watches us have sex but he is not involved directly. He set the process in motion though and the fact he made sex enjoyable is a brilliant move on his part to ensure we would continue to reproduce. However, he created STDs to try to make sure we would only have sex with ones we love (a more crueler brilliant move). This is more proof he exists. He created STDs as punishment for human's sin of adultery.

Your god sounds like a combination of a sexist, a perv, evolution and a complete dick.

Just a day in the life of Yahweh, I guess.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:02 am

Jormengand wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
Youtube is blocked where I live (because the govt. wants to protect the people) so I can't watch it.

Remember, some women might read your posts so we must avoid 'F' bombs if possible. God watches us have sex but he is not involved directly. He set the process in motion though and the fact he made sex enjoyable is a brilliant move on his part to ensure we would continue to reproduce. However, he created STDs to try to make sure we would only have sex with ones we love (a more crueler brilliant move). This is more proof he exists. He created STDs as punishment for human's sin of adultery.

Your god sounds like a combination of a sexist, a perv, evolution and a complete dick.

Just a day in the life of Yahweh, I guess.


If we were talking about a human than you might be right; however, God does things for his reasons. He is a tough father-he loves us but he is not afraid to be tough on us when necessary to teach us a lesson (remember Sodom and Gommorah).
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Postby The Revolutionary Fighters of Intel » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:04 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:So basically, "Shut the fuck up and have faith."?


Yes, he created us and we have to thank him for all blessings we receive. We also must thank him for each day he allows us to enjoy. He created suffering so we would be thankful for our lives. Without suffering and death, there is no joy and life. His philosophy is interesting.

In a way, you are saying that Heaven is not a joyful and life-fulfilling place?
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Postby Rosenfeld » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:04 am

Funnily, this mumbo jumbo about how "that stupid scripture of a desert cult from over 2000 years ago" actually reaffirms my faith.

- And among them are those who listen to you, but We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. Even when they come to you arguing with you, those who disbelieve say, "This is not but legends of the former peoples."

- And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say something like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples."

- And when it is said to them, "What has your Lord sent down?" They say, "Legends of the former peoples,"

This came from "a book of a desert cult" in the 4th century.

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Ah well, my utmost respects to you atheists. But my God (which is pretty much the Christians' as well) did make you a fair bet.

Say, "Observe what is in the heavens and earth." But of no avail will be signs or warners to a people who do not believe
So do they wait except for like what occurred in the days of those who passed on before them?

Say, "Then wait; indeed, I am with you among those who wait."

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So. This discussion about God's existence is pointless. People can believe what they believe.

The waiting bet is simple.

Should the atheists won, all religious people can turn back into dust and can have their eternal rest, their faith will be wasted, but they still don't get eternal damnation anyway, which is all good.

Should the believers of the (Christian) God won---- well, I don't have to say anything here now am I?

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:04 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Your god sounds like a combination of a sexist, a perv, evolution and a complete dick.

Just a day in the life of Yahweh, I guess.


If we were talking about a human than you might be right; however, God does things for his reasons. He is a tough father-he loves us but he is not afraid to be tough on us when necessary to teach us a lesson (remember Sodom and Gommorah).

Imagine that someone had his personality, what would people think of him?
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:08 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Seperates wrote:Nope. My mother and my father fucked and that's how I got here. I am proof of me, and even that is uncertain. I am not proof of anything else. And DNA constructed my fingers.

Again, if you are going to say, "Have faith." Just say it. Don't be a dick about it.


Watch the language: 'Your mother and father made love' which is how you got here. God was involved though, he created the process of human reproduction.

Have faith, here are some lyrics to inspire you:

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/michael+w+ ... 08995.html

Human reproduction is the product of evolutionary process.

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Postby Conscentia » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:12 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:Youtube is blocked where I live (because the govt. wants to protect the people) so I can't watch it.

Remember, some women might read your posts so we must avoid 'F' bombs if possible.

Sexist.
Freiheit Reich wrote: God watches us have sex but he is not involved directly. He set the process in motion though and the fact he made sex enjoyable is a brilliant move on his part to ensure we would continue to reproduce. However, he created STDs to try to make sure we would only have sex with ones we love (a more crueler brilliant move). This is more proof he exists. He created STDs as punishment for human's sin of adultery.

Living things that find sex enjoyable reproduced more. Variation, Selection, Retention. Evolution, not the work of the supernatural.
STDs are the result of evolutionary process, like all disease caused by pathogenic microbes.
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Postby Terra Pacis Concordiaeque » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:12 am

The Shia Califate wrote:The Christian god = the muslim god = the jewish god = pretty much all gods.

Hint: There is only one God.



Yeah!! :clap:

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