Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[People Who Say Ni]

But God still allowed Sin to exist, which has led to much suffering, and he does nothing.

That is a fairly good point, although it all depends on how people determine God.

As a Deist myself I just see it as shit happens and humans will be humans. God has no power over controlling nature at his beck and call in my view unlike Theists who do believe in this notion.

I still think that even deism, though it is a much more rational position than theism, makes assumptions about the world with no scientific or philosophical grounding.

[Mavorpen]

As I understand it, Hinduism is a faith having many gods.

Eh... yes and no.

Hinduism is one of the more diverse religions, where people are polytheists, monotheists, both, and even atheists.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That is a fairly good point, although it all depends on how people determine God.

As a Deist myself I just see it as shit happens and humans will be humans. God has no power over controlling nature at his beck and call in my view unlike Theists who do believe in this notion.

I still think that even deism, though it is a much more rational position than theism, makes assumptions about the world with no scientific or philosophical grounding.

Sometimes we do, indeed. Although I have to say, I do believe in God not because that's what I have been taught; I came to question even that and I found out that I still believe in a deity, how much of it is close to the Theist God? My belief is, not that close.

It's not a perfect conclusion which led me to atheism, but it's my own belief.

[Mavorpen]

That is a fairly good point, although it all depends on how people determine God.

As a Deist myself I just see it as shit happens and humans will be humans. God has no power over controlling nature at his beck and call in my view unlike Theists who do believe in this notion.

I still think that even deism, though it is a much more rational position than theism, makes assumptions about the world with no scientific or philosophical grounding.

Scientific grounding? No. Philosophical? Why not? I mean, if there is a deity/deities, it seems like a stretch that they would care about a species on a planet that's a tiny speck in the scope of the entire universe.

[Sociobiology]

Every specific definition of god/gods is easily disproven, the ones sufficiently vague to not be are to vague to be distinguishable from not existing.

[Ashmoria]

no kidding. what did adam and eve know of consequences, sin, death, suffering? nothing.

Indeed. Which suggests that the Fall was inevitable. The Climb (or ascension of the divine ladder) seems to have been quite integral to the maturing of Humanity.

of course there was no garden of eden in reality. its a theological story that answers the question of where did we come from and why does life suck so much.

[Ashmoria]

no kidding. what did adam and eve know of consequences, sin, death, suffering? nothing.

Well, they were familiar with the concept of death. The animals still died after all.

nu uh. they didn't last 2 weeks in the garden. nothing had died yet.

[Ashmoria]

You're thinking of sin as a thing. It isn't, it's the absence of godliness. Someone who does not obey God's commandments sins. There have come to be things listed as specific sins, in varying degrees, but that's because humans like categories.

He still allowed suffering to exist, so not Omnibenevolent.

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

[Lost heros]

He still allowed suffering to exist, so not Omnibenevolent.

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

So God can do anything malicious he wants, and still be called benevolent because he's god?

[Ashmoria]

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

So God can do anything malicious he wants, and still be called benevolent because he's god?

*shrug* yes.

or more to the point since you don't know the mind of god and cant possibly understand his motives and plan he can do things or allow things that seem malicious to you but aren't.

[Lost heros]

So God can do anything malicious he wants, and still be called benevolent because he's god?

*shrug* yes.

or more to the point since you don't know the mind of god and cant possibly understand his motives and plan he can do things or allow things that seem malicious to you but aren't.

Is circular logic that enticing?
God is good because God is God.

[Ashmoria]

*shrug* yes.

or more to the point since you don't know the mind of god and cant possibly understand his motives and plan he can do things or allow things that seem malicious to you but aren't.

Is circular logic that enticing?
God is good because God is God.

youre like a child whining that his parents hate him because they wont buy him a pony. as it says in the book of job, the universe is complicated, you have no idea how hard it is to make it all work out.

[Othelos]

Is circular logic that enticing?
God is good because God is God.

youre like a child whining that his parents hate him because they wont buy him a pony. as it says in the book of job, the universe is complicated, you have no idea how hard it is to make it all work out.

I thought God could do the impossible.

[Ashmoria]

youre like a child whining that his parents hate him because they wont buy him a pony. as it says in the book of job, the universe is complicated, you have no idea how hard it is to make it all work out.

I thought God could do the impossible.

of course he can. that doesn't mean its easy. or comprehensible by us.

[Othelos]

I thought God could do the impossible.

of course he can. that doesn't mean its easy. or comprehensible by us.

God can easily do anything he wants, because he's omnipotent.

[Ashmoria]

of course he can. that doesn't mean its easy. or comprehensible by us.

God can easily do anything he wants, because he's omnipotent.

are you sure that omnipotence means that nothing is difficult?

[Othelos]

God can easily do anything he wants, because he's omnipotent.

are you sure that omnipotence means that nothing is difficult?

Does it matter? He can still do whatever he wants.

[Ashmoria]

are you sure that omnipotence means that nothing is difficult?

Does it matter? He can still do whatever he wants.

so then we understand each other. it is impossible for us to know why god wants to do what he does. we have the bible for clues and if we study hard as brilliant theologians have done for thousands of year we can come to understand what god does want us to know. more or less.

[Othelos]

Does it matter? He can still do whatever he wants.

so then we understand each other. it is impossible for us to know why god wants to do what he does. we have the bible for clues and if we study hard as brilliant theologians have done for thousands of year we can come to understand what god does want us to know. more or less.

Not knowing what God wants to do doesn't change the fact that he's not omnibenevolent.

[Ashmoria]

so then we understand each other. it is impossible for us to know why god wants to do what he does. we have the bible for clues and if we study hard as brilliant theologians have done for thousands of year we can come to understand what god does want us to know. more or less.

Not knowing what God wants to do doesn't change the fact that he's not omnibenevolent.

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

[Othelos]

Not knowing what God wants to do doesn't change the fact that he's not omnibenevolent.

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

How do you define omnibenevolence?

[Ashmoria]

god isn't bound by your definition of omnibenevolence.

How do you define omnibenevolence?

I don't. I don't find it a useful concept.

[Othelos]

How do you define omnibenevolence?

I don't. I don't find it a useful concept.

So you don't think God is omnibenevolent?

[Ashmoria]

I don't. I don't find it a useful concept.

So you don't think God is omnibenevolent?

I have no real thought on that one way or another. as I said I don't find it to be a useful concept.

[Sinovet]

Disprove God?
This should be entertaining.

Lets start with this challenge. Prove to me that God exists.