Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[Caecuser]

That would be a start, yes.
As it is, there is nothing but scripture?

You cannot prove God by science you can only believe. If God sought to prove that He existed then he would come down in magnificence and show Himself to everyone but he does not. He asks us to believe and if you believe you shall be rewarded if you do not well good luck to you but hey Pope Francis says that even Atheists so long as their good can go to Heaven

He doesn't prove himself because he can't prove himself because he doesn't exist. It would be remarkably easy for him to prove himself if he actually existed.

[With Teeth]

There's the Hebrew Scripture i.e. the Written Law and the Talmud i.e. the Oral Law.

That's the only point we're focusing on is God's gender... that one little segment on that whole page.

My point is, that isn't verifiable.

Let's not be positivists here.

[Menassa]

Because implications aren't the same as actual discussion?

You don't want to talk about whether or not Yahweh is necessary for the existence of the universe because this isn't a thread about Yahweh. Fine then, ok. What I'm saying is that we can talk about it anyway because whether or not god is necessary for the existence of the universe relates obviously to the title of the thread and would be of interest to anyone who wants to know about the existence of the Christian god, or any god at all.

You are of course fully aware that the Jewish God and Christian God's are very different.... right?

Which is primarily the reason I've not said much in this thread.

[Luveria]

That would be a start, yes.
As it is, there is nothing but scripture?

You cannot prove God by science you can only believe. If God sought to prove that He existed then he would come down in magnificence and show Himself to everyone but he does not. He asks us to believe and if you believe you shall be rewarded if you do not well good luck to you but hey Pope Francis says that even Atheists so long as their good can go to Heaven

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

[With Teeth]

You don't want to talk about whether or not Yahweh is necessary for the existence of the universe because this isn't a thread about Yahweh. Fine then, ok. What I'm saying is that we can talk about it anyway because whether or not god is necessary for the existence of the universe relates obviously to the title of the thread and would be of interest to anyone who wants to know about the existence of the Christian god, or any god at all.

You are of course fully aware that the Jewish God and Christian God's are very different.... right?

Which is primarily the reason I've not said much in this thread.

Nothing in my post required the statement that the Christian and Jewish god are the same beings. All I stated was that a discussion on whether or not god is necessary for the existence of the universe is pertinent to the thread, so dismissing it because it came out of a conversation about Yahweh isn't a good enough reason.

[21 Tribes]

You cannot prove God by science you can only believe. If God sought to prove that He existed then he would come down in magnificence and show Himself to everyone but he does not. He asks us to believe and if you believe you shall be rewarded if you do not well good luck to you but hey Pope Francis says that even Atheists so long as their good can go to Heaven

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

That's why it is called FAITH.

[Menassa]

You are of course fully aware that the Jewish God and Christian God's are very different.... right?

Which is primarily the reason I've not said much in this thread.

Nothing in my post required the statement that the Christian and Jewish god are the same beings. All I stated was that a discussion on whether or not god is necessary for the existence of the universe is pertinent to the thread, so dismissing it because it came out of a conversation about Yahweh isn't a good enough reason.

I believe it is, because it quickly branches into the universe's purpose, which is again entirely two different schools of thought based on almost two different God's

The discussion of the universe's creation does not begin or end with the creation of the universe.

[Luveria]

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

That's why it is called FAITH.

No. Give me one reason I should believe in the existence of something there is no evidence for?

[With Teeth]

Nothing in my post required the statement that the Christian and Jewish god are the same beings. All I stated was that a discussion on whether or not god is necessary for the existence of the universe is pertinent to the thread, so dismissing it because it came out of a conversation about Yahweh isn't a good enough reason.

I believe it is, because it quickly branches into the universe's purpose, which is again entirely two different schools of thought based on almost two different God's

The discussion of the universe's creation does not begin or end with the creation of the universe.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with the universe's purpose. It has to do with cause, which is distinct from purpose.

[Blasveck]

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

That's why it is called FAITH.

You and I both know that faith isn't enough.

I mean, having faith in anything without sufficient evidence is silly. Its like having faith that dragons exist.

[Menassa]

I believe it is, because it quickly branches into the universe's purpose, which is again entirely two different schools of thought based on almost two different God's

The discussion of the universe's creation does not begin or end with the creation of the universe.

No, it doesn't have anything to do with the universe's purpose. It has to do with cause, which is distinct from purpose.

And directly leads into purpose, the reason for the cause i.e. the purpose.

[With Teeth]

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

That's why it is called FAITH.

Coming up with a word for your irrationality doesn't make it any better.

[Menassa]

If you can't prove the existence of something then why should I believe it exists?

That's why it is called FAITH.

I thought Catholics didn't believe in Sola Fide?

[21 Tribes]

That's why it is called FAITH.

No. Give me one reason I should believe in the existence of something there is no evidence for?

If you choose not to believe then fine that is your right as a human being. But don't call us idiots because we exercise that same right to believe in God as I see fit.

[With Teeth]

No, it doesn't have anything to do with the universe's purpose. It has to do with cause, which is distinct from purpose.

And directly leads into purpose, the reason for the cause i.e. the purpose.

I'm not going to talk about the purpose; I don't care about the purpose. I'd just like to see one argument that god is necessary for the existence of the universe.

[Luveria]

No. Give me one reason I should believe in the existence of something there is no evidence for?

If you choose not to believe then fine that is your right as a human being. But don't call us idiots because we exercise that same right to believe in God as I see fit.

So do you have any evidence at all that God exists?

[Menassa]

And directly leads into purpose, the reason for the cause i.e. the purpose.

I'm not going to talk about the purpose; I don't care about the purpose. I'd just like to see one argument that god is necessary for the existence of the universe.

Well then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum, and out in the real world doing some research of your own, discussing it with a variety of people.

If you're really looking for that answer.

[Caecuser]

No. Give me one reason I should believe in the existence of something there is no evidence for?

If you choose not to believe then fine that is your right as a human being. But don't call us idiots because we exercise that same right to believe in God as I see fit.

I'd call someone who believes in a magical invisible elephant as though it actually existed an idiot, isn't it a double standard to not do the same to those believing in God?

[With Teeth]

I'm not going to talk about the purpose; I don't care about the purpose. I'd just like to see one argument that god is necessary for the existence of the universe.

Well then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum, and out in the real world doing some research of your own, discussing it with a variety of people.

If you're really looking for that answer.

I can both at once.

Now, do you have an actual argument?

[Mavorpen]

I'm not going to talk about the purpose; I don't care about the purpose. I'd just like to see one argument that god is necessary for the existence of the universe.

Well then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum, and out in the real world doing some research of your own, discussing it with a variety of people.

If you're really looking for that answer.

With Teeth DOES do his own research. He has an entire blog about this subject.

You however, are doing a rather poor job of dodging the question.

[Blasveck]

No. Give me one reason I should believe in the existence of something there is no evidence for?

If you choose not to believe then fine that is your right as a human being. But don't call us idiots because we exercise that same right to believe in God as I see fit.

Believing in him doesn't make him real.

[Menassa]

Well then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum, and out in the real world doing some research of your own, discussing it with a variety of people.

If you're really looking for that answer.

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You however, are doing a rather poor job of dodging the question.

How is this not abundantly clear?

Well then perhaps you shouldn't be on this forum, and out in the real world doing some research of your own, discussing it with a variety of people.

If you're really looking for that answer.

I can both at once.

Now, do you have an actual argument?

Not for this thread.

[21 Tribes]

If you choose not to believe then fine that is your right as a human being. But don't call us idiots because we exercise that same right to believe in God as I see fit.

So do you have any evidence at all that God exists?

I have my faith and for me that is all I need.

The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

[With Teeth]

Not for this thread.

So you're just keeping it a secret or something?

[Luveria]

So do you have any evidence at all that God exists?

I have my faith and for me that is all I need.

The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Allah is my shepherd, I shall not be in want. He makes me lie down in green pastures, he leads me beside quiet waters, he restores my soul. He guides me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.