Does the (Christian) God Exist?

[Mavorpen]

for example why does quantum mechanic wave function collapse on conscious observation? why does photon turn in to particle from wave when someone is observing and remains wave if no one observes?

He is trying to explain the role of consciousness in physics which is a new concept and will take time to mature. but it is in right direction. to answer your question in the first place, biological explanation you have show is worthless as it predicts nothing. you wont be able to know why and with whom you will fall in love with those chemicals.

Physics can't explain this? Since when? There are several interpretations of quantum mechanics, and most of them already address this question. One states that they never collapse in the first place while others say that wave functions just don't accurately describe quantum systems enough.

Also, people have already called bullshit on your source's claims.

[Mavorpen]

Have you read the book called biocentrism by Lanza. I have.
What the article says is that there is mixed response because scientists want to be spoon feeding about everything. It is a concept which gives new direction to science and explains many things which physics cant. for example why does quantum mechanic wave function collapse on conscious observation? why does photon turn in to particle from wave when someone is observing and remains wave if no one observes?

He is trying to explain the role of consciousness in physics which is a new concept and will take time to mature. but it is in right direction. to answer your question in the first place, biological explanation you have show is worthless as it predicts nothing. you wont be able to know why and with whom you will fall in love with those chemicals.

Yo, Grave_n_idle, can you help me out with this biocentric nonsense?

People have already done it for us.

[Luveria]

Yo, Grave_n_idle, can you help me out with this biocentric nonsense?

People have already done it for us.

I have a feeling Sakash is going to ignore it.

[With Teeth]

Oh Bohr....don't tell me someone is bringing up wavefunction collapse as an argument.

[Trotskylvania]

Oh Bohr....don't tell me someone is bringing up wavefunction collapse as an argument.

Somewhere, Neils Bohr walks among us, unobserved and immortal.

[With Teeth]

Oh Bohr....don't tell me someone is bringing up wavefunction collapse as an argument.

Somewhere, Neils Bohr walks among us, unobserved and immortal.

A comic about interpreting quantum mechanics? That's now my favorite comic.

[Dyakovo]

Any being that murders children to punish their parents is unjust and unworthy of worship.
The dirt under your feet is more worthy of worship than the being described in any of the bibles.

He murders the children because if he didn't, they would starve to death, a horrible death. The children might have been saved from hell and the curse of their parents. The Old Testament verses of violence don't prove God is evil, but that he is merciful.

ITT: Killing children is a good thing.

[Dyakovo]

I don't believe the Earth is flat, but I never know if NASA and other space organisations are all lying...

You don't need NASA to tell you that the world isn't flat.

Indeed. Just ask anyone that's been to sea.

[Luveria]

He murders the children because if he didn't, they would starve to death, a horrible death. The children might have been saved from hell and the curse of their parents. The Old Testament verses of violence don't prove God is evil, but that he is merciful.

ITT: Killing children is a good thing.

Only on NSG.

[Mavorpen]

Oh Bohr....don't tell me someone is bringing up wavefunction collapse as an argument.

I suggest you don't read the source he provided. I mean, the guy tried to use color as an example of how consciousness creates the universe, apparently unaware of how light works in the first place. It was downright painful reading that crap.

Then again, the guy isn't a physicist, so it doesn't surprise me.

[Dyakovo]

I believe in one, and i hope i am right.

I have no doubts about God being real.

You should.

[Mavorpen]

Somewhere, Neils Bohr walks among us, unobserved and immortal.

A comic about interpreting quantum mechanics? That's now my favorite comic.

Also, dat ass.

[21 Tribes]

The so called Christian God is not just the God of Christians. He is the God of Abraham meaning not only is he the God of Christians like myself but He is YHWH to the Jews and Allah to the Muslims. So let people not be confused by calling Him Cristian God but instead let Him be known as the God of Abraham or something that truly denotes all of His followers be they Jews, Christians, or Muslims.

And to answer the question as a good Roman Catholic I am sure the God of Abraham is real.

[Salandriagado]

You don't need NASA to tell you that the world isn't flat.

Indeed. Just ask anyone that's been to sea.

Or has two sticks and a friend. Or one stick, a fast horse and some patience.

[With Teeth]

for example why does quantum mechanic wave function collapse on conscious observation? why does photon turn in to particle from wave when someone is observing and remains wave if no one observes?

First of all, as Mav pointed out, it hasn't been established that wavefunctions even collapse. In the ensemble interpretation, the de-Brogile Bohm interpretation (my favorite), quantum logic, many worlds, many minds, consistent histories, Popper's interpretation, the stochastic interpretation, and the time-symmetric interpretation, the wavefunction does not actually collapse.

Second of all, even in the interpretations where wavefunction collapse is real, consciousness often has nothing to do with it.

[Luveria]

The so called Christian God is not just the God of Christians. He is the God of Abraham meaning not only is he the God of Christians like myself but He is YHWH to the Jews and Allah to the Muslims. So let people not be confused by calling Him Cristian God but instead let Him be known as the God of Abraham or something that truly denotes all of His followers be they Jews, Christians, or Muslims.

And to answer the question as a good Roman Catholic I am sure the God of Abraham is real.

Why is god a male and not a female? Is it because males are superior and thus God could only be male?

[Menassa]

The so called Christian God is not just the God of Christians. He is the God of Abraham meaning not only is he the God of Christians like myself but He is YHWH to the Jews and Allah to the Muslims. So let people not be confused by calling Him Cristian God but instead let Him be known as the God of Abraham or something that truly denotes all of His followers be they Jews, Christians, or Muslims.

And to answer the question as a good Roman Catholic I am sure the God of Abraham is real.

The Triune Godhead you believe in is different than the unity that is the Jewish God.

[Menassa]

The so called Christian God is not just the God of Christians. He is the God of Abraham meaning not only is he the God of Christians like myself but He is YHWH to the Jews and Allah to the Muslims. So let people not be confused by calling Him Cristian God but instead let Him be known as the God of Abraham or something that truly denotes all of His followers be they Jews, Christians, or Muslims.

And to answer the question as a good Roman Catholic I am sure the God of Abraham is real.

Why is god a male and not a female? Is it because males are superior and thus God could only be male?

Is this question being asked about the Christian God?

[Luveria]

Why is god a male and not a female? Is it because males are superior and thus God could only be male?

Is this question being asked about the Christian God?

The Abrahamic ones, yes.

[Polgrusan]

Why would God punish good parents? The children got away from BAD parents. Atheists are statistically happier, because if they're extremely unhappy, they can commit suicide without a worry. They also don't believe in an afterlife, so they try to live the best life possible, a happy life.

So religious people don't live the best life they could?

Your arguments for religion are actually better arguments against it, my friend.

Christians are encouraged to give to charity etc. etc. while Atheists can be sexually immoral etc. etc. if it gives them happiness, Christians would feel guilty after, say, fornication, which makes them feel bad. Few Atheists would regret fornication, and repent, as they don't believe those actions will have consequences. In Atheism, you can do what you want without fear of hell.

[Mavorpen]

So religious people don't live the best life they could?

Your arguments for religion are actually better arguments against it, my friend.

Christians are encouraged to give to charity etc. etc. while Atheists can be sexually immoral etc. etc. if it gives them happiness, Christians would feel guilty after, say, fornication, which makes them feel bad. Few Atheists would regret fornication, and repent, as they don't believe those actions will have consequences. In Atheism, you can do what you want without fear of hell.

Why is fornication bad?

[Polgrusan]

Is this question being asked about the Christian God?

The Abrahamic ones, yes.

Allah is not the same as God. The Christian God allowed Jesus to be crucified to pay for people's sins, while Allah saved Jesus and replaced him with an imposter, amongst other differences.

[Menassa]

Is this question being asked about the Christian God?

The Abrahamic ones, yes.

So not just simply the Christian God?

[Luveria]

The Abrahamic ones, yes.

So not just simply the Christian God?

If it only applies to the Christian God, I wouldn't mind knowing the reason. If the argument applies to the other Abrahamic gods, then it applies to those also.

The Abrahamic ones, yes.

Allah is not the same as God. The Christian God allowed Jesus to be crucified to pay for people's sins, while Allah saved Jesus and replaced him with an imposter, amongst other differences.

And I should care...why?

[Menassa]

So not just simply the Christian God?

If it only applies to the Christian God, I wouldn't mind knowing the reason. If the argument applies to the other Abrahamic gods, then it applies to those also.

I suppose in the interest of education.

http://www.jewfaq.org/g-d.htm