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The Emerald Dawn
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm

Luveria wrote:
Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Suuuuuure. Tolerant to LGBT individuals. So tolerant they can't legally have marriages performed within Israel. :lol2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _in_Israel

Same-sex marriage cannot legally be performed in Israel.

Such open. Many tolerance. So give.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.


THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?

Not even remotely similar scenarios. In the Suez Crisis your nation and France struck the first blow.

I think your caps lock key is broken.
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm

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That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:


They why are they building a Nuke and having a leader that says he will basically kill all the Jews, also tech Jews in Iran are oppressed. When you have a government that is making statements about blowing up Israel, and is building a nuke, you get the idea that they are trying to do something.


There's no proof that Iran is building a nuke, and even so, they aren't crazy enough to shoot it at Israel.
And i'm pretty sure the Supreme Leader of Iran never said anything about killing all jews or destroying Israel.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages*. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Only if they happened outside the country.
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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Iran's elections are legitimate. The people do actually elect their leaders.

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?

The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.


They took Japanese lands, it was war. What was Israel going to do, let the Egyptians regroup on the Suez Canal and let them invade Israel again?
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.


THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?

So, how about them Palestinians?

Do they get any reparations for being kicked out of their homes?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.


They took Japanese lands, it was war. What was Israel going to do, let the Egyptians regroup on the Suez Canal and let them invade Israel again?

....WOOSH.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:01 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?

The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.


I am kind of surprised by this too now that you mention it.

We must have had a Platoon of Jesus-like Water Walkers back then.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.

Might want to think again on that statement.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Do you actually know how much Jews there are that actually oppose the Israëli gouverment and its actions?


Their are many, but they're some that support it, in fact people would die for them!

I don't really consider martyrdom to be a show of the 'correctness' for a cause, because every cause has somebody that is willing to die for it.
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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Iran's elections are legitimate. The people do actually elect their leaders.


De facto or de jure?

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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Your logical fallacy is Tu Quoque.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.


I am kind of surprised by this too now that you mention it.

We must have had a Platoon of Jesus-like Water Walkers back then.

There were a reasonable amount of Hispanics back in the WWII US Armed Forces.

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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Well, it only recognises gay marriages, it doesn't allow them, so that's half and half.
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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:03 pm

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He didn't shoot them down in self defense. He shot them down for the homes that Israel stole from Palestine. And where did I say we should attack Israel? I'm merely supporting the verdict that Israel is guilty of genocide. Also, The UN Mandate should never have been drawn in the first place.


If Israel is guilty of genocide, so are a fuckton of other countries around the world we aren't discussing. Zimbabwe, etc.

And attack the argument, not the poster's bloody family for Chrissakes! "homes...Israel stole...from Palestine". You didn't know his grandfather or where he lives or what war he participated in. Cut the flamebaiting.


You're right, a fuckton of countries are also guilty of genocide, but we're not discussing them in this thread, are we?

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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:03 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Do you actually know how much Jews there are that actually oppose the Israëli gouverment and its actions?


Their are many, but they're some that support it, in fact people would die for them!


Yeah, and so are there Palestinians who would die for their country...

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Postby Aloia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:03 pm

Luveria wrote:
Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Suuuuuure. Tolerant to LGBT individuals. So tolerant they can't legally have marriages performed within Israel. :lol2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _in_Israel

Same-sex marriage cannot legally be performed in Israel.

I'd sure as hell rather have to travel to France or somewhere to get married than be executed for being gay!

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:03 pm

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
They why are they building a Nuke and having a leader that says he will basically kill all the Jews, also tech Jews in Iran are oppressed. When you have a government that is making statements about blowing up Israel, and is building a nuke, you get the idea that they are trying to do something.


There's no proof that Iran is building a nuke, and even so, they aren't crazy enough to shoot it at Israel.
And i'm pretty sure the Supreme Leader of Iran never said anything about killing all jews or destroying Israel.


Denial is the first step toward anti-Semitism. You do realize Iran's nuke was video taped, Ajmadinijad (can't spell it, on my phone, very hard to type.) did say those things, look it up.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:03 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Iran's elections are legitimate. The people do actually elect their leaders.


North Koreans elect their leaders too. I guess the DPRK is also a legitimate democracy.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.


They took Japanese lands, it was war. What was Israel going to do, let the Egyptians regroup on the Suez Canal and let them invade Israel again?


And of course the damn Japanese keep launching rockets at American settlements in Japanese land.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Their are many, but they're some that support it, in fact people would die for them!


Yeah, and so are there Palestinians who would die for their country...


So, people all over the world would die for their nation.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Aloia wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Suuuuuure. Tolerant to LGBT individuals. So tolerant they can't legally have marriages performed within Israel. :lol2:


I'd sure as hell rather have to travel to France or somewhere to get married than be executed for being gay!


Wow, lets compare one bad situation to a worse situation so we can ignore how bad the first one is?

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
If Israel is guilty of genocide, so are a fuckton of other countries around the world we aren't discussing. Zimbabwe, etc.

And attack the argument, not the poster's bloody family for Chrissakes! "homes...Israel stole...from Palestine". You didn't know his grandfather or where he lives or what war he participated in. Cut the flamebaiting.


You're right, a fuckton of countries are also guilty of genocide, but we're not discussing them in this thread, are we?


Quite. As long as we both understand that Israel is hardly an isolated case that deserves disproportionate spasms of outraged indignation accordingly.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Luveria wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Iran's elections are legitimate. The people do actually elect their leaders.


North Koreans elect their leaders too. I guess the DPRK is also a legitimate democracy.

Hello, Luv it's right there in the name! Would someone really go on the UN and just lie?

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