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Nervium
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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

Luveria wrote:
Kalgeron wrote:Actually they kind of did say that.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei called Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut," adding that "from now on, in any place, if any nation or any group that confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear of expressing this."


Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Kalgeron wrote:Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut,"


So which is it? Israel is another word for Jews now?


Well, tbh, in ye Olde Days, long before anyone of us was born (except Farn), it was, now, eeh, not anymore.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
He called them "Zionists" in his speech. No Iranian leader seriously uses the term "Jew" any more.


He also said "Israel."


Israel is not another word for "Jew."

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:


Totally.

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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Institutionalized Segregation for Israel would condemn them to being classified as an Apartheid state too, and that could damage their world standing even more than what it is now.


Israel's world standing is actually quite cushy compared to what we had to deal with under apartheid.


Yea, but what I am saying is that, if Israel blatantly segregates Palestinians and Institutes it, they end up losing a lot because of the comparison the World Community is going to make, therefore crushing the legitimacy of the Israeli Government under its weight.
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Gauthier
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

Kalgeron wrote:

Ignoring a security council resolution about a border is not the same things as the ICC finding Israel guilty of genocide.


And yet the results are the same. Israel conveniently ignores out of butthurt.
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Limborg
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
But their are Jews who agree with the Israeli government. That being said, Israel is Jewish and Jewish people would take offense, just as if I criticized Iran then their would be some Muslim people who would get upset.

Wait, so a government = a whole Nation's people now?


apperantly... i think he has been (and still is) confusing the Israëli state with the Jewish community the whole time

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Lydenburg
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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:55 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Israel extended way past it's boundaries set by the UN. And how can you blame the Arabs for attacking Israel? the Jews strolled in and took most of their land when the Palestinians did nothing to deserve such a punishment. Maybe a little slideshow can help demonstrate:

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He isn't blaming Arabs in general. He's blaming the Arab bloc in the region (Jordan, Syria, etc.) who unilaterally interfered. Blame these governments for attacking Israel.

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Amerique Royal
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Postby Amerique Royal » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:56 pm

The High Guardians wrote:I completely agree with the verdict.

By a biased, unrecognized, committee made up of well known anti-israeli Malaysians. You sir, are one mislead man.
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America Libertaria
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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:56 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Israel extended way past it's boundaries set by the UN. And how can you blame the Arabs for attacking Israel? the Jews strolled in and took most of their land when the Palestinians did nothing to deserve such a punishment. Maybe a little slideshow can help demonstrate:

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I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!


He didn't shoot them down in self defense. He shot them down for the homes that Israel stole from Palestine. And where did I say we should attack Israel? I'm merely supporting the verdict that Israel is guilty of genocide. Also, The UN Mandate should never have been drawn in the first place.

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Gaelic Celtia
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:56 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Israel extended way past it's boundaries set by the UN. And how can you blame the Arabs for attacking Israel? the Jews strolled in and took most of their land when the Palestinians did nothing to deserve such a punishment. Maybe a little slideshow can help demonstrate:

Image


I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!

Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:56 pm

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:


They why are they building a Nuke and having a leader that says he will basically kill all the Jews, also tech Jews in Iran are oppressed. When you have a government that is making statements about blowing up Israel, and is building a nuke, you get the idea that they are trying to do something.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:56 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Were not blaming the Jewish people, but the Israeli Government. Don't take criticisms of the State to be antisemitic attacks on the people themselves.


But their are Jews who agree with the Israeli government. That being said, Israel is Jewish and Jewish people would take offense, just as if I criticized Iran then their would be some Muslim people who would get upset.


Do you actually know how much Jews there are that actually oppose the Israëli gouverment and its actions?

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The High Guardians
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Postby The High Guardians » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:57 pm

Amerique Royal wrote:
The High Guardians wrote:I completely agree with the verdict.

By a biased, unrecognized, committee made up of well known anti-israeli Malaysians. You sir, are one mislead man.


I've done my own research before into Israeli abuses. Far from mislead, informed is the word you are looking for.

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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!

Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.


THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Funny how apologists cite the UN as an authority when Israel ignores the UN on a regular basis.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:


They why are they building a Nuke and having a leader that says he will basically kill all the Jews, also tech Jews in Iran are oppressed. When you have a government that is making statements about blowing up Israel, and is building a nuke, you get the idea that they are trying to do something.


Uhuh. Nice try making up things.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/iran-sanctions-could-be-eased-by-december-1.2438930

In the end, Iran agreed to cap its enrichment level to a maximum of 5 per cent, which is well below the 90 per cent threshold needed for a warhead.

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Gaelic Celtia
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:


They why are they building a Nuke and having a leader that says he will basically kill all the Jews, also tech Jews in Iran are oppressed. When you have a government that is making statements about blowing up Israel, and is building a nuke, you get the idea that they are trying to do something.

Source?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.


THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?

The US marched to Japan?

Across the entire Pacific?

Damn.

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Postby Aloia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.

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Postby Trollgaard » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:58 pm

What a load of crap.

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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
But their are Jews who agree with the Israeli government. That being said, Israel is Jewish and Jewish people would take offense, just as if I criticized Iran then their would be some Muslim people who would get upset.


Do you actually know how much Jews there are that actually oppose the Israëli gouverment and its actions?


Their are many, but they're some that support it, in fact people would die for them!
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Finally somebody who actually understands that Israel isn't Nazi germany.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Again. Not attacking the Jewish people. The GOVERNMENT is being criticized. Recognize the difference.

I do not think that this is in self defense. You cannot always pull the victim card.


THEY WERE STILL FUCKING ATTACKED FIRST, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE U.S. WAS WRONG TO MARCH ALL THE WAY AND TAKE ALL THE JAPANESE ISLANDS?


Self-Defense would mean that there are no territorial gains.

Clearly this is not the case.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:59 pm

Aloia wrote:Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and if you look at maps regarding the governments' treatment toward LGBT individuals, Israel is the only nation in the area that recognizes same-sex marriages. Most of its neighbors imprison or execute gay people. I don't understand why people hate Israel so much.


Suuuuuure. Tolerant to LGBT individuals. So tolerant they can't legally have marriages performed within Israel. :lol2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _in_Israel

Same-sex marriage cannot legally be performed in Israel.

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:59 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!


He didn't shoot them down in self defense. He shot them down for the homes that Israel stole from Palestine. And where did I say we should attack Israel? I'm merely supporting the verdict that Israel is guilty of genocide. Also, The UN Mandate should never have been drawn in the first place.


If Israel is guilty of genocide, so are a fuckton of other countries around the world we aren't discussing. Zimbabwe, etc.

And attack the argument, not the poster's bloody family for Chrissakes! "homes...Israel stole...from Palestine". You didn't know his grandfather or where he lives or what war he participated in. Cut the flamebaiting.

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Postby Kalgeron » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:00 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kalgeron wrote:Ignoring a security council resolution about a border is not the same things as the ICC finding Israel guilty of genocide.


And yet the results are the same. Israel conveniently ignores out of butthurt.

The point is America trusts Israel and distrusts the Middle East for obvious reasons. If Israel says they are being attacked I am more likely to take their word for it than I am the word of Iran or Palestinians claiming to be persecuted especially in light of the Yom Kippur war in the past.
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