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Gaelic Celtia
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Also, let's not forget the fact that Modern Israel was just dumped onto the Palestinians. It's a sort of unnatural state and that's why most neighbors of Israel hate its guts.


Don't blame the Jews, blame the UN! They made the borders.

Were not blaming the Jewish people, but the Israeli Government. Don't take criticisms of the State to be antisemitic attacks on the people themselves.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:Genocide is a bit unlikely. Transgressions on human rights and possible segregation, sure. But not outright genocide.


Institutionalized Segregation for Israel would condemn them to being classified as an Apartheid state too, and that could damage their world standing even more than what it is now.
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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Also, Iran didn't say shit. Ahmadinejad did.


Who was the leader of Iran and was given permission by the Iranian government to say those things, not saying that all Iranians are Jew haters, but for the government to allow their leader to say something like that, really tells you something about them.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Also, let's not forget the fact that Modern Israel was just dumped onto the Palestinians. It's a sort of unnatural state and that's why most neighbors of Israel hate its guts.


Don't blame the Jews, blame the UN! They made the borders.


The same UN that Israel ignores when they're butthurt by a resolution?

Study: Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions
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Kalgeron
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Postby Kalgeron » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Luveria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


"Other people are saying worse things about us than we say about them! That makes our actions justified!!!11!!1!"

Actually they kind of did say that.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei called Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut," adding that "from now on, in any place, if any nation or any group that confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear of expressing this."
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Luveria wrote:
Are you going to source that?


He's probably referring to the Ayatollah's speech back in '12. Did you seriously want a source? And here I thought the sentiment was common knowledge.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-02-03/world/35445760_1_supreme-leader-resumption-of-nuclear-talks-nuclear-facilities


One individual having said something is the same thing as Iran saying it? :eyebrow:

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Lydenburg
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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Genocide is a bit unlikely. Transgressions on human rights and possible segregation, sure. But not outright genocide.


Institutionalized Segregation for Israel would condemn them to being classified as an Apartheid state too, and that could damage their world standing even more than what it is now.


Israel's world standing is actually quite cushy compared to what we had to deal with under apartheid.

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Estado Paulista
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Also, Iran didn't say shit. Ahmadinejad did.


Who was the leader of Iran and was given permission by the Iranian government to say those things, not saying that all Iranians are Jew haters, but for the government to allow their leader to say something like that, really tells you something about them.


He didn't need permission from the government to say something like that.
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Limborg
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)


Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Like i said, 50% of the blame goes to Israel. The other 50% goes to the states that supported/support violence against Israel. However you can't say that Israel is innocent.

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Who was the leader of Iran and was given permission by the Iranian government to say those things, not saying that all Iranians are Jew haters, but for the government to allow their leader to say something like that, really tells you something about them.


He didn't need permission from the government to say something like that.


He didn't even say it, either. Check your facts.

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Postby Blasveck » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
Also, Iran didn't say shit. Ahmadinejad did.


Who was the leader of Iran and was given permission by the Iranian government to say those things, not saying that all Iranians are Jew haters, but for the government to allow their leader to say something like that, really tells you something about them.

Because a government elected within a broken democracy clearly represents the people's views.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:51 pm

Kalgeron wrote:
Luveria wrote:
"Other people are saying worse things about us than we say about them! That makes our actions justified!!!11!!1!"

Actually they kind of did say that.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei called Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut," adding that "from now on, in any place, if any nation or any group that confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear of expressing this."


Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Kalgeron wrote:Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut,"


So which is it? Israel is another word for Jews now?
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America Libertaria
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Founded: Apr 17, 2013
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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:52 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)


Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Israel extended way past it's boundaries set by the UN. And how can you blame the Arabs for attacking Israel? the Jews strolled in and took most of their land when the Palestinians did nothing to deserve such a punishment. Maybe a little slideshow can help demonstrate:

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:52 pm

Lydenburg wrote:He didn't even say it, either. Check your facts.


Whatever, I commited a mistake.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:52 pm

Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Don't blame the Jews, blame the UN! They made the borders.

Were not blaming the Jewish people, but the Israeli Government. Don't take criticisms of the State to be antisemitic attacks on the people themselves.


But their are Jews who agree with the Israeli government. That being said, Israel is Jewish and Jewish people would take offense, just as if I criticized Iran then their would be some Muslim people who would get upset.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Who was the leader of Iran and was given permission by the Iranian government to say those things, not saying that all Iranians are Jew haters, but for the government to allow their leader to say something like that, really tells you something about them.

Because a government elected within a broken democracy clearly represents the people's views.


Only when that government is opposed to Israel.

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm

Luveria wrote:
Kalgeron wrote:Actually they kind of did say that.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei called Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut," adding that "from now on, in any place, if any nation or any group that confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear of expressing this."


Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Kalgeron wrote:Israel a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut,"


So which is it? Israel is another word for Jews now?


He called them "Zionists" in his speech. No Iranian leader seriously uses the term "Jew" any more.

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Postby Blasveck » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Were not blaming the Jewish people, but the Israeli Government. Don't take criticisms of the State to be antisemitic attacks on the people themselves.


But their are Jews who agree with the Israeli government. That being said, Israel is Jewish and Jewish people would take offense, just as if I criticized Iran then their would be some Muslim people who would get upset.

Wait, so a government = a whole Nation's people now?
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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Israel extended way past it's boundaries set by the UN. And how can you blame the Arabs for attacking Israel? the Jews strolled in and took most of their land when the Palestinians did nothing to deserve such a punishment. Maybe a little slideshow can help demonstrate:

Image


I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Kalgeron » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:53 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kalgeron wrote:Maybe or maybe not. Impossible to say until it actually happens.


It's been done.

Study: Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions

Ignoring a security council resolution about a border is not the same things as the ICC finding Israel guilty of genocide.
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The High Guardians
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Postby The High Guardians » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:54 pm

I completely agree with the verdict.

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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


That's probably also why Iran has the highest Jewish population in the Middle-East besides Israel... they really want to eliminate them :palm:

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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Luveria wrote:




So which is it? Israel is another word for Jews now?


He called them "Zionists" in his speech. No Iranian leader seriously uses the term "Jew" any more.


Zionist is not another word for Jew.

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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Luveria wrote:




So which is it? Israel is another word for Jews now?


He called them "Zionists" in his speech. No Iranian leader seriously uses the term "Jew" any more.


He also said "Israel."
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:54 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:I damn well was proud when my grandfather shoot down aircrafts IN SELF DEFENSE! Let's just attack the Jews because the UN drew the borders, why not go to the UN and yell at them!


Because these borders are pretty fair, yet Israel wants more land.
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