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Israel found guilty of genocide

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Nervium
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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)


Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Yes, and that wasn't nice of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the other countries that attacked Israel, it's very condemnable, this doesn't mean that because Israel had hardships that it's free from criticism or that anyone who dislikes/criticises the Israeli State is automatically an anti-Semite.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:41 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/tribunal-issues-landmark-verdict-against-israel-for-genocide/5359944




Thoughts?

I believe this is nothing but a farce. Another antisemitic swipe at Israel through deceit and propaganda. Israel is a nation founded by victims of genocide. Only a fool would believe Israel would then commit genocide.


Of course. Obviously its antisemitism at play again. *sarcasm*

Also, Israel is a nation that shouldn't be there. It is a nation of caucasian European Jews who thought they could stroll right in because of someone else entirely. Israel has committed horrid acts against the Palestinians.


Lol! You obviously missed that part that said "Israel was attacked" and the Israelis originally agreed to give Palestine a state which the UN supported, but the Palestinians rejected the offer because they wanted all the land.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:41 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/tribunal-issues-landmark-verdict-against-israel-for-genocide/5359944




Thoughts?

I believe this is nothing but a farce. Another antisemitic swipe at Israel through deceit and propaganda. Israel is a nation founded by victims of genocide. Only a fool would believe Israel would then commit genocide.


Of course. Obviously its antisemitism at play again. *sarcasm*

Also, Israel is a nation that shouldn't be there. It is a nation of caucasian European Jews who thought they could stroll right in because of someone else entirely. Israel has committed horrid acts against the Palestinians.

*coughs* You do realize that pretty much all people within the Middle East are also considered to be classically Caucasian, right? Though otherwise I generally agree. The colonialization model shouldn't have been adopted.
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Maqtrybama
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:42 pm

Nervium wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Yes, and that wasn't nice of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and the other countries that attacked Israel, it's very condemnable, this doesn't mean that because Israel had hardships that it's free from criticism or that anyone who dislikes/criticises the Israeli State is automatically an anti-Semite.


I never said that Israel was the perfect nation, but I don't see how they are the aggressors when they are the ones being attacked.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Agritum » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:44 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:
Of course. Obviously its antisemitism at play again. *sarcasm*

Also, Israel is a nation that shouldn't be there. It is a nation of caucasian European Jews who thought they could stroll right in because of someone else entirely. Israel has committed horrid acts against the Palestinians.


Lol! You obviously missed that part that said "Israel was attacked" and the Israelis originally agreed to give Palestine a state which the UN supported, but the Palestinians rejected the offer because they wanted all the land.

The fact that the partition of Mandate Palestine was quite shoddy could be the reason for that, you know.

Or you are trying to portray Palestinians as ungrateful bastards?

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:45 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:45 pm

Agritum wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Lol! You obviously missed that part that said "Israel was attacked" and the Israelis originally agreed to give Palestine a state which the UN supported, but the Palestinians rejected the offer because they wanted all the land.

The fact that the partition of Mandate Palestine was quite shoddy could be the reason for that, you know.

Or you are trying to portray Palestinians as ungrateful bastards?


They should be thankful they're allowed to live. *nod*
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:45 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


It certainly says a lot about a person when they refer to an entire nationality by a slur. Definitely not biased at all. :lol2:

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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


So you somehow prove that Israel is superior by stooping to their level?
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Agritum wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Lol! You obviously missed that part that said "Israel was attacked" and the Israelis originally agreed to give Palestine a state which the UN supported, but the Palestinians rejected the offer because they wanted all the land.

The fact that the partition of Mandate Palestine was quite shoddy could be the reason for that, you know.

Or you are trying to portray Palestinians as ungrateful bastards?


No, I'm just saying they missed a good chance to at least solidify themselves as a independent nation earlier then they were now.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


"Other people are saying worse things about us than we say about them! That makes our actions justified!!!11!!1!"
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:46 pm

Maqtrybama wrote: but I don't see how they are the aggressors when they are the ones being attacked.


Err. Not exactly always.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_crisis

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


So?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Agritum wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Lol! You obviously missed that part that said "Israel was attacked" and the Israelis originally agreed to give Palestine a state which the UN supported, but the Palestinians rejected the offer because they wanted all the land.

The fact that the partition of Mandate Palestine was quite shoddy could be the reason for that, you know.

Or you are trying to portray Palestinians as ungrateful bastards?


Also, let's not forget the fact that Modern Israel was just dumped onto the Palestinians. It's a sort of unnatural state and that's why most neighbors of Israel hate its guts.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


So you somehow prove that Israel is superior by stooping to their level?


I'd admit I lost my cool, but I'm not saying that anybody is superior.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Genocide is a bit unlikely. Transgressions on human rights and possible segregation, sure. But not outright genocide.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:47 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.


Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Are you going to source that?

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Lydenburg wrote:
So you somehow prove that Israel is superior by stooping to their level?


I'd admit I lost my cool, but I'm not saying that anybody is superior.


Being immune to criticism while your opponents aren't implies a feeling of superiority.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Luveria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


"Other people are saying worse things about us than we say about them! That makes our actions justified!!!11!!1!"


I din' kno' Palestinians were really Iranians! My God, Arabic Persians!!
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Also, Iran didn't say shit. Ahmadinejad did.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Agritum wrote:The fact that the partition of Mandate Palestine was quite shoddy could be the reason for that, you know.

Or you are trying to portray Palestinians as ungrateful bastards?


Also, let's not forget the fact that Modern Israel was just dumped onto the Palestinians. It's a sort of unnatural state and that's why most neighbors of Israel hate its guts.


Don't blame the Jews, blame the UN! They made the borders.
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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Luveria wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Are you going to source that?


He's probably referring to the Ayatollah's speech back in '12. Did you seriously want a source? And here I thought the sentiment was common knowledge.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-02-03/world/35445760_1_supreme-leader-resumption-of-nuclear-talks-nuclear-facilities

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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:48 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:No, I'm just saying they missed a good chance to at least solidify themselves as a independent nation earlier then they were now.


Just about as the Jews missed a good chance to at least solidify themselves as an independent nation earlier... let's say between 135 and 1945 A.D.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:49 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Don't blame the Jews, blame the UN! They made the borders.


And Israel is not respecting these borders.
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Postby Lydenburg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:50 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:Yes but Iran can call the Jews a "cancer that should be eliminated."


Also, Iran didn't say shit. Ahmadinejad did.


Ahmadinejad didn't say shit. Khamenei did.

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