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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Well no, see, the problem is that you could be able to say you are a victim if you are truly a victim of discrimination nowadays.

When you are talking in a victim's viewpoint and you are not oppressed anymore but instead you use it to justify your actions, it's not being a victim, it's being victimized.

I am not saying Jews do, but that's in principle what "Using the Victim card" means.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm

Limborg wrote:
New Nassrau wrote:Israel is not a commuter of outright genocide! Maybe some human rights abuses but...


Maybe? I'm pretty sure they abuse human rights. oh, you also forgot warcrimes.


Hey, you try getting to work during rush hour and you'd want to kill off a bunch of ethnicities too.
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm

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Kalgeron wrote:Maybe or maybe not. Impossible to say until it actually happens.


It's been done.

Study: Israel leads in ignoring Security Council resolutions


They are probably wondering when they are recieving their medal :P

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Risottia wrote:Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!


Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.


You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.


Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians.


Right, that never happened throughout history during various atheist regimes. :lol2:

Maqtrybama wrote: I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Gays were oppressed before the Holocaust too, along with Christians. It doesn't mean either group can't play the victim card.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Limborg wrote:


They are probably wondering when they are recieving their medal :P


The medal will be a giant gelt.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Luveria wrote:Point out where in this thread Jews have been blamed for everything.


Hey! I blame teh ebul j00z for lightspeed in vacuum being the top speed! Damn you Einstein! YOU DID IT JUST TO SHTOPP OUR VOLKSRAUMSCHIFF FROM REACHING ALPHA KENTAURI! IT'S A KONSPIRAZIE! :rofl:
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:36 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Maybe? I'm pretty sure they abuse human rights. oh, you also forgot warcrimes.


Hey, you try getting to work during rush hour and you'd want to kill off a bunch of ethnicities too.


Done that, didn't happen.

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Postby 4years » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:37 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:1. Whatever your all anti-Semitics, 2. if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


1. Criticizing Israel doesn't make one an anti-Semitic.
2. I am a communist that strongly identifies with Luxeburgism and and Trotskyism. I take that makes my criticisms valid in your eyes?
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:37 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Risottia wrote:Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!


Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.


You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.


Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:37 pm

Limborg wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc? What did Jews do to you? I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.


Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)


Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:38 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.


"I'm just confused as to why someone who was raped would rape another person."

Being a victim of something does not prevent that person from doing it to others.

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:38 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:
Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.


Which one of my rants were you responding to?
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:39 pm

Israeli Defense Force wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/tribunal-issues-landmark-verdict-against-israel-for-genocide/5359944


To a crowded courtroom on the late afternoon of November 25, presiding Judge Lamin Mohd Yunus announced the verdict by an international panel of seven jurists:

“The Tribunal is satisfied, beyond reasonable doubt, that the first defendant, (General) Amos Yaron, is guilty of crimes against humanity and genocide, and the second defendant, the State of Israel, is guilty of genocide.”



The landmark ruling against Israel for its genocide against the Palestinian people rendered by the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal is significant for several reasons:

- In contrast to other non-official courts of conscience on Palestinian rights, for example, the Russell Tribunal on Palestine (New York 2012), the prosecution in Kuala Lumpur took a step beyond war crimes and crimes against humanity to the higher and broader charge of genocide.

- The decision was rendered during the ongoing commission of the alleged crime by the defendant, rather than after the fact as in earlier genocide cases.

- Instead of limiting its ruling to individuals who ordered genocidal actions, the jurists also charged the state as a defendant.

- As a consequence, this case breaks the tradition of immunity of nation-states from criminal prosecution under international law.

- The decision introduces a legal basis for international action to protect minorities from genocide as a lawful alternative to the current response of so-called humanitarian intervention, invasion, occupation and regime change, which have often been as illegitimate and more destructive, and in some cases as genocidal as the original violation being punished.

The Kuala Lumpur Tribunal based its momentous decision on the 1948 Genocide Convention, which prohibits and punishes the killing, causing of harm and deliberate infliction of conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of a group of people, targeted for their ethnicity, religion or race. In instances of genocide, these criminal acts are done with the specific intent of destroying as a part or in whole of the targeted group, as in this plight the Palestinian people.


Thoughts?

I believe this is nothing but a farce. Another antisemitic swipe at Israel through deceit and propaganda. Israel is a nation founded by victims of genocide. Only a fool would believe Israel would then commit genocide.


Of course. Obviously its antisemitism at play again. *sarcasm*

Also, Israel is a nation that shouldn't be there. It is a nation of caucasian European Jews who thought they could stroll right in because of someone else entirely. Israel has committed horrid acts against the Palestinians.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:39 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Risottia wrote:Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!


Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.


You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.


Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians.

But that's what a lot of whiny Christians claim.

I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.

You are playing the victim card RIGHT NOW.
Your forefathers having been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing doesn't make you automatically right, or unable to commit similar crimes.
Also, it's not like your ethnicity is the ONLY one in the world that has been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:39 pm

Luveria wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.


"I'm just confused as to why someone who was raped would rape another person."

Being a victim of something does not prevent that person from doing it to others.


Who are you talking about? I never said that.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby America Libertaria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:39 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.


Well no, see, the problem is that you could be able to say you are a victim if you are truly a victim of discrimination nowadays.

When you are talking in a victim's viewpoint and you are not oppressed anymore but instead you use it to justify your actions, it's not being a victim, it's being victimized.

I am not saying Jews do, but that's in principle what "Using the Victim card" means.


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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Risottia wrote:Also, it's not like your ethnicity is the ONLY one in the world that has been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing.


People other than Jews have been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleaning? I am shocked! :shock:

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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Luveria wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.


"I'm just confused as to why someone who was raped would rape another person."

Being a victim of something does not prevent that person from doing it to others.


Well, except for being a victim of murder or manslaughter.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Luveria wrote:
"I'm just confused as to why someone who was raped would rape another person."

Being a victim of something does not prevent that person from doing it to others.


Who are you talking about? I never said that.


Probably because I wasn't responding to you?

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Postby Agritum » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

America Libertaria wrote:
Israeli Defense Force wrote:http://www.globalresearch.ca/tribunal-issues-landmark-verdict-against-israel-for-genocide/5359944




Thoughts?

I believe this is nothing but a farce. Another antisemitic swipe at Israel through deceit and propaganda. Israel is a nation founded by victims of genocide. Only a fool would believe Israel would then commit genocide.


Of course. Obviously its antisemitism at play again. *sarcasm*

Also, Israel is a nation that shouldn't be there. It is a nation of caucasian European Jews who thought they could stroll right in because of someone else entirely. Israel has committed horrid acts against the Palestinians.

The Beta Israel and the Mizrahi aren't exactly European, in fairness.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Luveria wrote:
Risottia wrote:Also, it's not like your ethnicity is the ONLY one in the world that has been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleansing.


People other than Jews have been targeted by genocide and ethnic cleaning? I am shocked! :shock:


They just happened to be labelled "justifiable homicide".
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Risottia wrote:
Luveria wrote:
"I'm just confused as to why someone who was raped would rape another person."

Being a victim of something does not prevent that person from doing it to others.


Well, except for being a victim of murder or manslaughter.


And only if your nation's ethnicity is Jewish. *nods*

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Limborg wrote:
Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)


Maybe if these muc mucs didn't keep shooting rockets and invading us then we wouldn't be uneasy! You all bitch about how Israel violated the UN, but so did Egypt, Jordan, Syria and all the other Muslims countries when they attacks Israel in the Six Day, Yom Kippur war and the 1948 Arab-Israeli war which was fought RIGHT AFTER ISRAEL WAS CREATED BY THE UN!


Okay, let's make this real simple:

How much has changed since then?

Also, calling them by a racial slur isn't your best move here.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:41 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Sure they were. That is true.

I'm just confused as to why an oppressed people would oppress some other people.


Which one of my rants were you responding to?


Just pointing out the hypocrisy in talking about how Jews were oppressed and then turning around and giving Palestinians the middle finger.

At least that what Israel does. I should have clarified that bit.
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