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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:26 pm

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Never heard of "the cycle of abuse"? How about "Damaged Personality Disorder"? Maybe "Playing the Victim"?

These all refer, more or less, to the same thing. Yes, those who have been abused have all too often grown up to abuse others. Those who have been bullied, when they got into positions of authority, often bullied others. Those who have been subjected to any number of traumas by other human beings have, when their situations changed, not uncommonly inflicted similar trauma on others. These are not particularly obscure observations. Can you seriously claim to have never heard of such?

Are you seriously comparing an isolated case of child molestation with the systematic torture, experimentation upon, surgery upon, mass murder of an entire race?


Are you seriously not keeping up with the discussion?
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:26 pm

Nervium wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


If I criticise Zimbabwe for having a bad human rights record, does that make me a racist? No.
If I criticise Israel for having a a a bad human rights record, does that make me a anti-Semite? No.


For Mithras's sake, it isn't rocket science.

Didn't you know that rocket science is anti-Semitic, too? WERNHER VON BRAUN! :lol:
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:27 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:You are analyzing them like I really want them, instead of campaigning on their name so that people change their attitudes for it not become popular afraid it might happen. ;)


It wouldn't become popular even if we switched morals with the 1830s.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:27 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc? What did Jews do to you? I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.

When your arguments are crashing and burning, accuse the people arguing against you of anti-semitism!

Victim complexes, they're not just for White People anymore.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:27 pm

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The Palestine doesn't do that. Hamas does.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... rael,_2012


That were fired from the Gaza Strip. By Hamas.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:Oh? Ok. *drinks juice*

A wild cannibalistic anti-Semite appears! :P


*eats Jewish leg*
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Des-Bal wrote:"Israel is a nation founded by victims of genocide. Only a fool would believe Israel would then commit genocide."

Terrible argument.


This.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:This, basically. Call me when the ICC does something similar.


And if the ICC does, people will still act the same. Israel can do no wrong in the eyes of the western world.


As someone who has some historical studies and knowledge of Israel; I know they do wrong, but this particular court I find it too vague of a judgement. Considering also that, to be fair, Israel is in a unique position on whether it should be regarded as an oppressive state or not. They have Palestinians saying they are but at the same time their politics reflect otherwise, and it's really hard to determine at current moment in my opinion.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Luveria wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I have never seen that form of sentence before :meh:

Other than that, this.


I guess I'm not going to get a reply about that from The Neo Jewish Empire. If I do it will be another ad hom.

Genocide is irrelevent to them as long as they aren't affected by it personally, which is probably why they aren't bothered by the genocide of the Palestinians.
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Postby Agritum » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:28 pm

Risottia wrote:
Nervium wrote:
If I criticise Zimbabwe for having a bad human rights record, does that make me a racist? No.
If I criticise Israel for having a a a bad human rights record, does that make me a anti-Semite? No.


For Mithras's sake, it isn't rocket science.

Didn't you know that rocket science is anti-Semitic, too? WERNHER VON BRAUN! :lol:

According to legit IDF sources, Qassam rockets want to exterminate every Patriot missile system in the world, following the footsteps of the Nazi V2s, which they deeply admire.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:29 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc?

Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!

What did Jews do to you?

Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.

I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.

You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:30 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:


That were fired from the Gaza Strip. By Hamas.


You obviously didn't read everything. It didn't even say Hamas! And even if they were, why would the Palestinians let them unless they wanted them to kill Jews!
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:30 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc? What did Jews do to you? I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.


Well for 50% Israel is the one to blame. (Israel does not represent the jewish community)
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:30 pm

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal is a bunch of guys doing a bad job of roleplaying at being the ICC (which is a shitty court in itself, IMO). I see no reason why their verdict should be taken seriously.
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Postby Kalgeron » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:31 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kalgeron wrote:That Court has no authority over Israel, so any rulings it makes on the matter are meaningless.


And apologists will say the same about the UN or the ICC.

Maybe or maybe not. Impossible to say until it actually happens.
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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:32 pm

Agritum wrote:
Risottia wrote:Didn't you know that rocket science is anti-Semitic, too? WERNHER VON BRAUN! :lol:

According to legit IDF sources, Qassam rockets want to exterminate every Patriot missile system in the world, following the footsteps of the Nazi V2s, which they deeply admire.


Damn Israeli-Palestine conflict, you scary.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:32 pm

Risottia wrote:
Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc?

Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!

What did Jews do to you?

Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.

I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.

You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.


Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:32 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:You obviously didn't read everything. It didn't even say Hamas!


You were the one who didn't read it. The word Hamas appears 27 times on that article.

Maqtrybama wrote:And even if they were, why would the Palestinians let them unless they wanted them to kill Jews!


Maybe because they can't actually do shit since they are, well, civilians? And Hamas is a terrorist group? :palm:
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Postby New Nassrau » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:33 pm

Israel is not a commiter of outright genocide! Maybe some human rights abuses but...
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:33 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:Why is this site so Anti-Semitc?


Have you read the OP? I guess not.

Maqtrybama wrote:What did Jews do to you?


A few minutes ago one threw a vicious ad hom at me. I can list other examples of what individual Jews have done to me, but I really doubt that would validate what you believe my stance is? :eyebrow:

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Luveria wrote:
So gay people can talk on equal grounds as you due to homosexuals having been genocided? :)


People like you make dumb people seem smart.


Maqtrybama wrote:I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.


Point out where in this thread Jews have been blamed for everything.

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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:34 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Estado Paulista wrote:
That were fired from the Gaza Strip. By Hamas.


You obviously didn't read everything. It didn't even say Hamas! And even if they were, why would the Palestinians let them unless they wanted them to kill Jews!


Because the average Hamas rocket-firer is armed and the average Palestinian isn't would be my primary guess.

But no, let's go on with the "ES IS ZEYT FIR RACHE, VIR MUSSEN DIE PALESTINYEN AUSROTTEN" rote instead.
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Postby Limborg » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:34 pm

New Nassrau wrote:Israel is not a commuter of outright genocide! Maybe some human rights abuses but...


Maybe? I'm pretty sure they abuse human rights. oh, you also forgot warcrimes.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:34 pm

Kalgeron wrote:
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And apologists will say the same about the UN or the ICC.

Maybe or maybe not. Impossible to say until it actually happens.


It's been done.

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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:34 pm

New Nassrau wrote:Israel is not a commuter of outright genocide! Maybe some human rights abuses but...


Well, it's a dubious court, with similary dubious decisions.
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Postby Agritum » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm

Maqtrybama wrote:
Risottia wrote:Because we're evil. EEEEVILLL MWAHAHAHAHAH!


Ate all the smoked kids I had in my larder for the winter.

Next winter I'll be sure to stock more Parma ham instead.


You really sound like an American Christian whining about being oppressed by the evil athiest libruhls.


Atheists aren't attempting to genocide the Christians. I'm fucking sick of everyone thinking the Jews are playing the victim card, we were oppressed before the Holocaust, give me a break.

...the Jewish people as whole using the victim card? More like the state of Israel.

Heck, there are Jewish persons like Norman Finkelstein who acknowledge the Holocaust, condemn it, but still heavily dislike the Israeli politicization of such an atrocity.

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