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The Neo Jewish Empire
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Postby The Neo Jewish Empire » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:18 pm

Luveria wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


So gay people can talk on equal grounds as you due to homosexuals having been genocided? :)


People like you make dumb people seem smart.

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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:18 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


I'm sorry, but where exactly did anyone say anything which specifically attacked Semites with false information, ridiculous claims, and personal hatred?
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Postby Dusk_Kittens » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:19 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
As a Historian I can tell his argument is terrible.


Go to a concentration camp and tell me why would victims want to genocide. It's like the Jerry Sandusky case, one of the victims was molested, are you saying he would go and molest little boys?


Never heard of "the cycle of abuse"? How about "Damaged Personality Disorder"? Maybe "Playing the Victim"?

These all refer, more or less, to the same thing. Yes, those who have been abused have all too often grown up to abuse others. Those who have been bullied, when they got into positions of authority, often bullied others. Those who have been subjected to any number of traumas by other human beings have, when their situations changed, not uncommonly inflicted similar trauma on others. These are not particularly obscure observations. Can you seriously claim to have never heard of such?
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I personally think there is still time to make a Central European rather than Middle Eastern Jewish state.

BTW, Yiddish rather than Hebrew as a first language would be far, far saner. Would love to see it revived.


Why are your "solutions" to everything always so stupid?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.

אתה מאשים אותי שאני אנטישמי

זה איש מצחיק, קצת. מצחיק

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Luveria wrote:
So gay people can talk on equal grounds as you due to homosexuals having been genocided? :)


People like you make dumb people seem smart.


Wow, really?

No no, I mean, really, when someone makes a comparison for the sake of argument, you throw at them an ad hominem?

I don't think that's the best you got, and if it is then shame on us for paying you attention.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Luveria wrote:
So gay people can talk on equal grounds as you due to homosexuals having been genocided? :)


People like you make dumb people seem smart.


http://www.chgs.umn.edu/educational/homosexuals.html

Homosexuals, Genocide of in the Holocaust

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Postby Nervium » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


If I criticise Zimbabwe for having a bad human rights record, does that make me a racist? No.
If I criticise Israel for having a a a bad human rights record, does that make me a anti-Semite? No.


For Mithras's sake, it isn't rocket science.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:20 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.


So did you celebrate when Rabin was shot?
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Postby Condunum » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:21 pm

The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:Whatever your all anti-Semitics, if people began to genocide what ever your beliefs and shove you in camps and kill you in the most horrid conditions, then start talking.

says the middle class white male who's probably american and probably hasn't seen a day past 16.
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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Dusk_Kittens wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Go to a concentration camp and tell me why would victims want to genocide. It's like the Jerry Sandusky case, one of the victims was molested, are you saying he would go and molest little boys?


Never heard of "the cycle of abuse"? How about "Damaged Personality Disorder"? Maybe "Playing the Victim"?

These all refer, more or less, to the same thing. Yes, those who have been abused have all too often grown up to abuse others. Those who have been bullied, when they got into positions of authority, often bullied others. Those who have been subjected to any number of traumas by other human beings have, when their situations changed, not uncommonly inflicted similar trauma on others. These are not particularly obscure observations. Can you seriously claim to have never heard of such?

Are you seriously comparing an isolated case of child molestation with the systematic torture, experimentation upon, surgery upon, mass murder of an entire race?
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Thafoo wrote:So I guess leaving a negative environmental footprint now makes you a killer?

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Postby Kalgeron » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:21 pm

That Court has no authority over Israel, so any rulings it makes on the matter are meaningless.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:21 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:Oh? Ok. *drinks juice*

A wild cannibalistic anti-Semite appears! :P
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:22 pm

Dusk_Kittens wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
Go to a concentration camp and tell me why would victims want to genocide. It's like the Jerry Sandusky case, one of the victims was molested, are you saying he would go and molest little boys?


Never heard of "the cycle of abuse"? How about "Damaged Personality Disorder"? Maybe "Playing the Victim"?

These all refer, more or less, to the same thing. Yes, those who have been abused have all too often grown up to abuse others. Those who have been bullied, when they got into positions of authority, often bullied others. Those who have been subjected to any number of traumas by other human beings have, when their situations changed, not uncommonly inflicted similar trauma on others. These are not particularly obscure observations. Can you seriously claim to have never heard of such?


For a moment I read the beginning line as if you were asking if there was such a thing up until I read the rest. :p
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Postby Lebanon Christian Republic » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:23 pm

Sounds fake to me, Israel hasn’t responded to it, so it seems this could be fake.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:23 pm

Luveria wrote:
The Neo Jewish Empire wrote:
People like you make dumb people seem smart.


http://www.chgs.umn.edu/educational/homosexuals.html

Homosexuals, Genocide of in the Holocaust


I have never seen that form of sentence before :meh:

Other than that, this.
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:24 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes commssion is not recognized to have any legal standing, it's a private organization in the eyes of the UN and when you're found guilty literally the only thing they can do is tell people you are guilty. If my neighbors kids declared israel guilty of genocide in their treehouse it would have exactly the same impact.

Well then, I guess I'll keep on not caring.

This, basically. Call me when the ICC does something similar.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:24 pm

Kalgeron wrote:That Court has no authority over Israel, so any rulings it makes on the matter are meaningless.


And apologists will say the same about the UN or the ICC.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:24 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:I personally think there is still time to make a Central European rather than Middle Eastern Jewish state.

BTW, Yiddish rather than Hebrew as a first language would be far, far saner. Would love to see it revived.

Why are your "solutions" to everything always so stupid?

You are analyzing them like I really want them, instead of campaigning on their name so that people change their attitudes for it not become popular afraid it might happen. ;)
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:25 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Well then, I guess I'll keep on not caring.

This, basically. Call me when the ICC does something similar.


And if the ICC does, people will still act the same. Israel can do no wrong in the eyes of the western world.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
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Postby Estado Paulista » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:25 pm

Calimera II wrote:No. People should use their brains and stop being so stupid to blame Israel for everything what happened. I support Israel. Palestina has gone way to far. Firing hundreds of rockets every year to Israel, and cry when Israel fires one back.


The Palestine doesn't do that. Hamas does.
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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:25 pm

Why is this site so Anti-Semitc? What did Jews do to you? I as a fellow Jew am bias but that's expected, and I'm frankly tired of the shit my people being blamed for everything, or being the evil people.
NS, a place where you can deny the holocaust, vouch for the genocide of the male sex, call people "fucking ignorant moron" a clear flame and not be banned from the forums, and have liberal bias mods who don't even listen to your suggestions and just delete them. Even though they said "give us suggestions." But you get punished if you said anything bad about the liberals or Muslims and Palestinians you get punished, but if you insult Jews then that's ok.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:26 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Luveria wrote:
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/educational/homosexuals.html

Homosexuals, Genocide of in the Holocaust


I have never seen that form of sentence before :meh:

Other than that, this.


I guess I'm not going to get a reply about that from The Neo Jewish Empire. If I do it will be another ad hom.

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Postby Maqtrybama » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:26 pm

Estado Paulista wrote:
Calimera II wrote:No. People should use their brains and stop being so stupid to blame Israel for everything what happened. I support Israel. Palestina has gone way to far. Firing hundreds of rockets every year to Israel, and cry when Israel fires one back.


The Palestine doesn't do that. Hamas does.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pa ... rael,_2012
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:26 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:This, basically. Call me when the ICC does something similar.


And if the ICC does, people will still act the same. Israel can do no wrong in the eyes of the Western World.

The leaders, at least.

A lot of the laity in the US.

I know that *I* hold them accountable when they actually do something wrong, and it is proven they have done so by a valid party.

Much like I don't blame Palestinians automatically because Hamas did something dumbass.

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